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Title: It's in the game Post by: Pyso on January 25, 2009, 03:45:50 PM Hi all,
This was a cash game last night at DTD, £0.50/£1, 8 handed and I have a stack of £180 I am on the button. Early position player, recently sat down, wearing poker stars hoodie and seems decent, raises to £5. Two more callers and given that they all have above average stacks I call with 9d 8h. (The blinds don't look at all interested so I am not worried about being re-raised pre-flop). Anyway, the flop is 9s 8c 5c - I have flopped top two. The very reason I play a hand like this hand on the button with good implied odds against three deep stacks, particularly the original raiser. He leads out for £10. I am beginning to think over-pair. The other two fold. I re-raise to £30. He pushes all in. I have him covered but it's £120 to call. I take my time. His range is now much narrower. Tens to aces still very much a possibility, as is a big suited ace. I am definitely thinking set here, although if he has eights or nines I am a little unlucky, already holding one of each myself. I do also wonder if he has 6,7 for a flopped straight. He seems too decent to be getting excited about crap like A,9. He asks me if I have A,9 which I find a little offensive. Of course I have better than that but I'm still taking my time. Of course he could be goading me into a call with this comment. Thoughts please - will tell you the outcome later. Thanks. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: boldie on January 25, 2009, 03:57:00 PM call...fast. Especially live I snap this.
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: WarBwastard on January 25, 2009, 04:21:15 PM I call ..sounds like an Kc Ac kind of hand to me.
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: gatso on January 25, 2009, 04:26:46 PM BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
that is the sound of my chips breaking the sound barrier as they enter the pot Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: GreekStein on January 25, 2009, 04:33:16 PM I wouldnt read too much into the Stars hoody - I've seen plenty of donks wear sites gear.
We really cant pass here. He can have any overpair or overs with a flush draw. Possibly even 10J is in his range here. If we're beat at the moment, its a cooler, simple as. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: gribbo on January 25, 2009, 04:54:33 PM Easy call, i like the raise on the flop aswell, must be overpair QQ/KK type of hand. He never hit his two outer on the turn or river?
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Blatch on January 25, 2009, 05:04:33 PM Hi all, This was a cash game last night at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/), £0.50/£1, 8 handed and I have a stack of £180 I am on the button. Early position player, recently sat down, wearing poker stars hoodie and seems decent, raises to £5. Two more callers and given that they all have above average stacks I call with 9d 8h. (The blinds don't look at all interested so I am not worried about being re-raised pre-flop). Anyway, the flop is 9s 8c 5c - I have flopped top two. The very reason I play a hand like this hand on the button with good implied odds against three deep stacks, particularly the original raiser. He leads out for £10. I am beginning to think over-pair. The other two fold. I re-raise to £30. He pushes all in. I have him covered but it's £120 to call. I take my time. His range is now much narrower. Tens to aces still very much a possibility, as is a big suited ace. I am definitely thinking set here, although if he has eights or nines I am a little unlucky, already holding one of each myself. I do also wonder if he has 6,7 for a flopped straight. He seems too decent to be getting excited about crap like A,9. He asks me if I have A,9 which I find a little offensive. Of course I have better than that but I'm still taking my time. Of course he could be goading me into a call with this comment. Thoughts please - will tell you the outcome later. Thanks. Blatant slow roll Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Royal Flush on January 25, 2009, 05:08:17 PM Yeah you should lose this pot for slow rolling.
Oh and i don't know of a single player who wears a poker stars hoody who is decent. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Blatch on January 25, 2009, 05:11:10 PM Yeah you should lose this pot for slow rolling. Oh and i don't know of a single player who wears a poker stars hoody who is decent. especially playing 50p/£1 at DTD Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Royal Flush on January 25, 2009, 05:12:20 PM Just had a though Nik Persaud sometimes wears random poker sites clothing, but i dont know anyone else who does.
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: mondatoo on January 25, 2009, 05:24:01 PM Yeah i also thought those who wear the hoodies n shit are generally mugs,obv the odd 1 can be good but generally they're donks imo
Please say you called since for some reason you didn't snap Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: kukushkin88 on January 25, 2009, 06:15:51 PM It's obviously call. As for reason it's on here, either he flips an overpair and has a go at you for nitrolling or he flips 67, in which case you have to like his lead.
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: LeKnave on January 25, 2009, 06:21:03 PM slowroll?
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Pyso on January 25, 2009, 09:16:27 PM Thanks all. I called, he showed 6,7 for a flopped straight.
The table agreed I had to call, as did my opponent, although in some warped, parallel universe (with the magical power of hindsight) I did feel I maybe could have passed. Who am I kidding?!! I was always calling. I just like taking my time lol. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: MC on January 25, 2009, 09:39:40 PM Cold deck, I call this as well.
It's one of those where you aren't thrilled with calling, cos you know he's probably got outs or there's a chance you're beat, but no way to get away from this one imo... Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Royal Flush on January 26, 2009, 01:11:42 AM It's one of those where you aren't thrilled with calling ? I am delighted to be calling this!! Are you that much of a nit these days! If i had known i wouldn't have 4 bet smashed JJ into your nit ass! Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: MC on January 26, 2009, 01:40:13 PM It's one of those where you aren't thrilled with calling ? I am delighted to be calling this!! Are you that much of a nit these days! If i had known i wouldn't have 4 bet smashed JJ into your nit ass! LOL, I didn't realise that was you, was your SN Royal Flush? I musn't have been paying attention. I wouldn't have delayed a few seconds before calling if I knew it was you hehe. The thing is here, you know either you're way ahead, he's way ahead, or he has a flush draw. One of those options you're like 80%, one your 10-15%, and the other you're 70%. All are equally likely really. So that's a fair proportion of the time you don't win the pot.... Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: david3103 on January 27, 2009, 10:58:29 AM Thanks all. I called, he showed 6,7 for a flopped straight. The table agreed I had to call, as did my opponent, although in some warped, parallel universe (with the magical power of hindsight) I did feel I maybe could have passed. Who am I kidding?!! I was always calling. I just like taking my time lol. He raised 67off from Early Position? How 'decent' is that? Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: SnipeR on January 27, 2009, 02:32:48 PM I call ..sounds like an Kc Ac kind of hand to me. +1 INSTA CALL!!! Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: SnipeR on January 27, 2009, 02:38:15 PM Lol now the answer has been revealed.....i wud still call this, at this level every single time!!.....F*&K me what are u playing for , pokerstars wearing gayers at the 50p tables are dogging bankroll boosting fishays.....,
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: SnipeR on January 27, 2009, 02:41:00 PM Also....why just call the raise??, i think u should have reraised to £15.....or folded, calling there is bad imo.....
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: AlexMartin on January 27, 2009, 04:09:36 PM wow, for slowrolling you should turn the house and then a freak gust of wind should muck your cards. you have a huge hand, when he has a bigger one thats life and why poker isnt chess.
Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Pyso on January 27, 2009, 04:13:56 PM I assume you mean pre-flop SnipeR? I like playing 9,8 in position with good implied odds against three deepstacks, but because it's against 3 other players I didn't feel a pre-flop raise here was warranted. But it's an interesting idea.
I had very little info on the guy really. He hadn't been at the table long, had gone deep in the tournament and had sat down with us and was pretty active, already increasing his stack by 50 %. He was chatty too and seemed to have a decent grasp of the game. I agree that raising from ep with 6,7 is pretty creative but if Gus Hansen does it, he is lauded for being a genius... At the time I did have a strong 'feeling' that he did indeed have the straight, but because I knew so little about him, I had to call for all the reasons stated. If it had been my mate down the pub I would have passed in a heart beat as he only ever raises with trash and only ever pushes all in with the nuts...! But Poker Stars hoodie man was a different matter... Oh, and I'm being accused of slow rolling - well, I was never doing that because I genuinely thought I may be beat - for £150 I like to take a little time. Maybe that's just me. If he had shown a big over pair then I suppose he might have had a go at me, but this is cash and I think for your entire stack you should be a llowed a little time. In a tournament it would have been an instant call, especially in the DTD crapshoots on a wednesday night. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: SnipeR on January 27, 2009, 05:17:23 PM I assume you mean pre-flop SnipeR? I like playing 9,8 in position with good implied odds against three deepstacks, but because it's against 3 other players I didn't feel a pre-flop raise here was warranted. But it's an interesting idea. I had very little info on the guy really. He hadn't been at the table long, had gone deep in the tournament and had sat down with us and was pretty active, already increasing his stack by 50 %. He was chatty too and seemed to have a decent grasp of the game. I agree that raising from ep with 6,7 is pretty creative but if Gus Hansen does it, he is lauded for being a genius... At the time I did have a strong 'feeling' that he did indeed have the straight, but because I knew so little about him, I had to call for all the reasons stated. If it had been my mate down the pub I would have passed in a heart beat as he only ever raises with trash and only ever pushes all in with the nuts...! But Poker Stars hoodie man was a different matter... Oh, and I'm being accused of slow rolling - well, I was never doing that because I genuinely thought I may be beat - for £150 I like to take a little time. Maybe that's just me. If he had shown a big over pair then I suppose he might have had a go at me, but this is cash and I think for your entire stack you should be a llowed a little time. In a tournament it would have been an instant call, especially in the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) crapshoots on a wednesday night. In a cash game with three players and a raise involved , u have the button, the power and position...use it...u reraise to say £15-£20 (there is £18 in middle now) and get called u can narrow the range right down to a few hands (unless hes stu ungar incarnate), u get reraised leave it and move on....u either win big or lose small....poker is not just about the amounts u win but also limiting the amounts u lose...lets say he folded (67 man) and the other called with Ak.....he may also put you on similar and your gonna get paid, if you ever lose in this spot its just plain unlucky....its a semi cooler, next hand plz!!.... Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: Pyso on January 27, 2009, 11:50:13 PM Yes, I like your logic here. If I had have re-raised preflop the 6,7 guy would almost certainly have passed, and that flop, were there any takers, would likely have won me a few quid. Even if they had all passed (also likely) I would have won £12 which would have been a £170 improvement on what did happen. Lol.
Thanks for the input. I often raise with these sorts of hands on the button but to be honest I rarely re-raise an ep raise with them but I could get used to the idea... As you say, the worst that could happen is I get re-popped and I lose £15. Not a disaster. Title: Re: It's in the game Post by: totalise on January 28, 2009, 03:16:19 AM I dont normally like the "what were you hoping to hit if you call with X-X" thinking, but this hand seems like a perfect spot to ask this question. You cant really call with hands like this, flop top 2, and then think about folding.. because one of the main reasons you call with hands like this is because your opponent will overvalue weak holdings, and this is the perfect kind of flop for them to "overvalue"
If you want to call here, flop top 2 pair, and then want to consider a fold, you probably might want to consider not calling preflop in the first place, and just make your money smashing pots and making your coin without showdown. |