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Title: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Graham C on January 28, 2009, 09:54:41 PM
Is this the correct way to be doing these sort of things?

Full Tilt Poker Game #10304507585: $27,500 Guarantee (77862930), Table 101 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:51:28 ET - 2009/01/28
Seat 1: C13Greentumb (19,475)
Seat 2: Graham0573 (18,213)
Seat 3: puckhead811 (8,949)
Seat 4: -bentonaces- (11,935)
Seat 5: HoldPleeez (3,240)
Seat 6: CHABALLA (26,609)
Seat 7: zoeman (6,417)
Seat 8: robmaster555 (22,486)
Seat 9: chevy77fay (22,830)
C13Greentumb antes 100
Graham0573 antes 100
puckhead811 antes 100
-bentonaces- antes 100
HoldPleeez antes 100
CHABALLA antes 100
zoeman antes 100
robmaster555 antes 100
chevy77fay antes 100
Graham0573 posts the small blind of 400
puckhead811 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [Qc Kd]
-bentonaces- folds
HoldPleeez folds
CHABALLA has 15 seconds left to act
CHABALLA folds
zoeman folds
robmaster555 folds
chevy77fay folds
C13Greentumb has 15 seconds left to act
C13Greentumb folds
Graham0573 raises to 4,100
puckhead811 has 15 seconds left to act
puckhead811 ...

I've always been a bit uncertain what to do in this situation


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Graham C on January 28, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
Also, sorry, should I be doing this with a wide range here?


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: kukushkin88 on January 28, 2009, 10:08:14 PM
Make it less (2,500-3,000), hopefully he'll shove it in, snap call.


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: gatso on January 28, 2009, 10:10:52 PM
Make it less (2,500-3,000), hopefully he'll shove it in, snap call.

this or just shove it in yourself. effective stacks are only 11BB so no time for anything fancy. hate the raise to 4100


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Graham C on January 28, 2009, 10:16:31 PM
Thanks.  How about ranges.  Just happened again (at 500/1000), BB has just under 10bb left, I have 2c 4c, folding is ok here isn't it?


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: mondatoo on January 28, 2009, 10:36:58 PM
Thanks.  How about ranges.  Just happened again (at 500/1000), BB has just under 10bb left, I have 2c 4c, folding is ok here isn't it?

Not when there both green


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Longy on January 28, 2009, 10:45:06 PM
With antes in play we should be shoving atc bvb, with stronger hands like kq green i am happy enough making a small raise and then snapping off a 3bet.


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: LeKnave on January 29, 2009, 02:49:59 AM
With antes in play we should be shoving atc bvb, with stronger hands like kq green i am happy enough making a small raise and then snapping off a 3bet.

yeah, but vs ok'ish regs id just open shove my entire range, rather than open off a 10x stack with the top end.


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Longy on January 29, 2009, 03:19:17 AM
With antes in play we should be shoving atc bvb, with stronger hands like kq green i am happy enough making a small raise and then snapping off a 3bet.

yeah, but vs ok'ish regs id just open shove my entire range, rather than open off a 10x stack with the top end.

Agreed as good regs will realise what you smaller open will indicate a stronger hand.


Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: totalise on January 29, 2009, 03:33:27 AM
With antes in play we should be shoving atc bvb, with stronger hands like kq green i am happy enough making a small raise and then snapping off a 3bet.

yeah, but vs ok'ish regs id just open shove my entire range, rather than open off a 10x stack with the top end.

Agreed as good regs will realise what you smaller open will indicate a stronger hand.

right, but if you are shoving your entire card distribution, this has to be exploitable as well, even against ok'ish regs... so the reasons why you should shove atc here also align with the reasons why you would raise less with the top parts of your range.. ie, the BB is exploitable, so it cant be okay to do one but not the other.  I think?



Title: Re: Folded to SB mid/late comp
Post by: Royal Flush on February 01, 2009, 03:36:45 AM
Raise way less, 2500-3k is still far to high, 2200 max