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Title: Was this just bad play here? Post by: Muso-Tim on February 09, 2009, 06:06:29 PM Ok, I'm feeling pretty bad at this point since the poker gods had been toying with me - giving me second best hands (A-Q vs A-K) for a few hands. My shove was possibly tilt although I don't normally get that emotional.
Other than a possible pre-flop raise, what do you do different here? Many thanks, you guys are really helping me out :) ** Hand # 1124187883 starting - 2009-02-08 19:40:55 ** $4 High Stack NLHE Freezeout[1741117]:Table 6 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (1000.00|2000.00 NL - MTT) Real Money SkInNy_86 sitting in seat 1 with 7641.78[Dealer] jockk sitting in seat 2 with 71215.16 homes5 sitting in seat 3 with 30417.40 Paul1972rfc sitting in seat 4 with 14777.34 KingBilly24 sitting in seat 5 with 67705.30 salmonspread sitting in seat 6 with 15773.70 MusoTim sitting in seat 7 with 22281.30 bigbrickie sitting in seat 8 with 2360.22 mfordy sitting in seat 9 with 11912.50 neil003 sitting in seat 10 with 23690.00 jockk posted the small blind - 500.00 homes5 posted the big blind - 1000.00 ** Dealing cards to MusoTim: Js, Aspades Paul1972rfc folded KingBilly24 called - 1000.00 salmonspread folded MusoTim called - 1000.00 bigbrickie folded mfordy folded neil003 folded SkInNy_86 folded jockk called - 1000.00 homes5 checked ** Dealing the flop: 9d, 9c, Jc jockk checked homes5 checked KingBilly24 bet - 4000.00 MusoTim called - 4000.00 jockk called - 4000.00 homes5 folded ** Dealing the turn: 4d jockk checked KingBilly24 bet - 4000.00 MusoTim went all-in - 17281.30 jockk called - 17281.30 KingBilly24 called - 17281.30 ** Dealing the river: 4s jockk went all-in - 49433.86 KingBilly24 went all-in - 45424.00 jockk shows: Th, 9h KingBilly24 shows: Jh, Qc jockk wins 67843.90 from the main pot jockk wins 90848.00 from side pot 1 Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: GreekStein on February 09, 2009, 08:04:18 PM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'
Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: boldie on February 09, 2009, 08:17:08 PM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?' Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: Muso-Tim on February 09, 2009, 08:38:34 PM Ok...but it wasn't an open limp, I called. As you say, I never open limp!
Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: bolt pp on February 09, 2009, 08:41:13 PM he didnt open limp did he?
still, raise pre pls Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: boldie on February 09, 2009, 08:49:36 PM Ok...but it wasn't an open limp, I called. As you say, I never open limp! oopps, my bad. OK, if a hand is good enough to limp with..it's good enough to raise with. As read in a fortune cookie. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: bolt pp on February 09, 2009, 08:49:42 PM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?' Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you. Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you? Ram (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) Vaswani (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping) if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: boldie on February 09, 2009, 08:54:28 PM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?' Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you. Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you? Ram (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) Vaswani (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping) if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be As a basis it's a pretty good guideline IMO. As there are many good basic guidelines...like telling a newbie to just stick to ABC poker. This doesn't mean stick to it forever..it just means..it's a good idea at the beginning. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: MANTIS01 on February 09, 2009, 09:20:23 PM In other words you can open limp when your balls have reached the circumference found only in players of experience.
Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: boldie on February 09, 2009, 09:29:12 PM In other words you can open limp when your balls have reached the circumference found only in players of experience. I haven't felt Ram's balls for a while..but I'm sure they're massive Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: AlexMartin on February 09, 2009, 11:22:11 PM open limping is fine, as long as you know what ur doing imo.
Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: thetank on February 09, 2009, 11:42:35 PM Would be interested to know what people think of the post flop line here.
I think I prefer a flop raise on draw heavy board like this. Would it commit us to the pot? Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: George2Loose on February 10, 2009, 12:50:29 AM can we talk abut how king billy played this hand instead?
Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: DUNK619 on February 10, 2009, 01:09:04 AM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?' Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you. Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you? Ram (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) Vaswani (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping) if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: bolt pp on February 10, 2009, 01:10:06 AM 'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?' Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play. This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you. Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you? Ram (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) Vaswani (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=359) open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping) if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be who you agreeing with? not me, i didnt say that shit. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: Royal Flush on February 10, 2009, 01:48:45 AM Open limping is just bad, far too exploitable.
This hand, raise pre. I would call turn and fold to action behind because the check-caller has either draw or 9 and will reveal that to your call. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: bolt pp on February 10, 2009, 01:57:44 AM Open limping is just bad so is Herion and tranvestite sex orgies but dont say "never"! you dont know when you'll be in a transvestite sex orgy, get offered some Herion and have to turn it down and leave, you'd look a right mug! Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: AlexMartin on February 10, 2009, 03:41:45 AM Open limping is just bad, far too exploitable. This hand, raise pre. I would call turn and fold to action behind because the check-caller has either draw or 9 and will reveal that to your call. disagree. edit, should state i think raising pre here is best, but as part of a balanced game its fine, a stylistic issue imo. Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: Royal Flush on February 10, 2009, 04:33:00 AM Open limping is just bad, far too exploitable. This hand, raise pre. I would call turn and fold to action behind because the check-caller has either draw or 9 and will reveal that to your call. disagree. edit, should state i think raising pre here is best, but as part of a balanced game its fine, a stylistic issue imo. The best way to balance your opening range is just raise 100% Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: AlexMartin on February 10, 2009, 05:27:59 AM Open limping is just bad, far too exploitable. This hand, raise pre. I would call turn and fold to action behind because the check-caller has either draw or 9 and will reveal that to your call. disagree. edit, should state i think raising pre here is best, but as part of a balanced game its fine, a stylistic issue imo. The best way to balance your opening range is just raise 100% balanced GAME, not balanced range. Plus if you know what ur doing u can balance a limping game pretty well, menlo's ftops victory on cardrunners is a good example of how to use open limping against specific opponents (that play pretty well pre but tez post (good v weaktight opponents ur stealing a tonne from but dont want to force them to adjust to ur aggression) ) why are you fighting this? practice what you preach imo, did you not limp reraise AA utg @ day 2 brighton gukpt last year and get it in pre v greek jacks 1010...................... :) Title: Re: Was this just bad play here? Post by: Royal Flush on February 10, 2009, 02:02:00 PM Open limping is just bad, far too exploitable. This hand, raise pre. I would call turn and fold to action behind because the check-caller has either draw or 9 and will reveal that to your call. disagree. edit, should state i think raising pre here is best, but as part of a balanced game its fine, a stylistic issue imo. The best way to balance your opening range is just raise 100% balanced GAME, not balanced range. Plus if you know what ur doing u can balance a limping game pretty well, menlo's ftops victory on cardrunners is a good example of how to use open limping against specific opponents (that play pretty well pre but tez post (good v weaktight opponents ur stealing a tonne from but dont want to force them to adjust to ur aggression) ) why are you fighting this? practice what you preach imo, did you not limp reraise AA utg @ day 2 brighton gukpt last year and get it in pre v greek jacks 1010...................... :) Yeah vs people you never play it can be ok, i am talking about when you are playing regs, like 1k< fields. In that hand vs Jack he actually went to raise before i even acted, hence the limp. |