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Title: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: thetank on February 16, 2009, 07:00:19 AM
I don't yet too much info on opponents heads up style, but has been pretty loose aggressive 3 handed, as well as being far from tight earlier in the comp.

He has a small losing record over a tiny sample, so no real help from sharkscope.

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Hero ($7,560)
($5,940)

Dealt to Hero  Ahrt 7d

DrSlipryFingers raises to $480, Hero calls $240,

FLOP ($960)  Aspades Td 5d

check, DrSlipryFingers bets $960, Hero calls $960,

TURN ($2,880) Aspades Td 5d  Tc

check, check,

RIVER ($2,880) Aspades Td 5d  Tc  Jc

Hero bets $1,440, DrSlipryFingers raises to $4,500, Hero folds,

DrSlipryFingers wins $5,760



Critique of play on all 4 streets?
Don't bother being gentle. :)


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: bolt pp on February 16, 2009, 07:08:19 AM
all in pre ffs!

all in on the fuckin flop man!!!!

all in on the turn you nutter!!!

river,call, wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii



Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: Moskvich on February 16, 2009, 07:57:32 AM
Think I play it the same till river, but would check-call when I get there. If he's laggish I suspect he's going to be betting the river most of the time after you show no strength at all. There's hardly anything you beat that he can call with, and I don't really think you can call a shove here.

I kind of think the stack sizes are well suited to this line too - suspect his stack size after turn check-check might encourage him to bluff river slightly more (and also perhaps to shove the river more, if you bet).


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: Longy on February 16, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
I like it and play it exactly the same.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 16, 2009, 10:27:10 AM
Check-call river for me, would also probs raise the flop...


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: EvilPie on February 16, 2009, 10:46:42 AM
I can only see 2 hands that you're beating, QQ and KK that he's decided to turn in to bluffs on the end. Can't see why he'd do this as he'd expect an A to call.

Looks like you're beat here so good pass.

There's no value in reraising / shoving 30 bbs deep. That would just be spewy. Call seems fine to see what develops.

Check, check the turn is standard then value bet on the river is fine once that J has solved your kicker problems.

When he shoves you can't possibly call. If he's outplayed you fair enough, WP him. You've still got 20 bbs left to play with so no need for hero calls.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: gatso on February 16, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
river seems a bit meh. he's probs never calling with worse here

check call ftw and hope he has a wide spewing range


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 16, 2009, 11:11:27 AM
There's no value in re-raising 30 bbs deep.

Why not?


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: MC on February 16, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
Two main mistakes here, shove the flop & check-call the river...

I agree with Evil Pie, we're too deep to shove preflop. And re-raising A7 oop isn't a good general heads up play. So the call pre is fine...

Check, shove the flop though surely? We're not deep enough to get away from this flop.

As played, I check call the river. He might bluff stab at it if he hasn't got it, he might value bet something worse for you, and you lose the minimum to hands beating you.

The fold to his raise once you've led out is correct though.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: EvilPie on February 16, 2009, 02:03:40 PM
There's no value in re-raising 30 bbs deep.

Why not?

Because you've got A7 and his min raise pre is difficult to assess. He could easily shove to a raise and then we have to pass.

If we raise and he flats we've then got about 25% of our stack committed oop with a weak ace against an oppo who's shown strength.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 16, 2009, 02:16:03 PM
There's no value in re-raising 30 bbs deep.

Why not?

Because you've got A7 and his min raise pre is difficult to assess. He could easily shove to a raise and then we have to pass.

If we raise and he flats we've then got about 25% of our stack committed oop with a weak ace against an oppo who's shown strength.


Gotcha, misunderstanding, thought you meant post-flop.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: EvilPie on February 16, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
There's no value in re-raising 30 bbs deep.

Why not?

Because you've got A7 and his min raise pre is difficult to assess. He could easily shove to a raise and then we have to pass.

If we raise and he flats we've then got about 25% of our stack committed oop with a weak ace against an oppo who's shown strength.


Gotcha, misunderstanding, thought you meant post-flop.

 :)up

To be fair it's a really difficult one anyway. I know it's a weak ace but HU any ace is strong.

I guess his bet on the flop could just be a c-bet which when we call slows him down so he checks the turn.

Betting the river is dangerous. I can understand him thinking that we've got a decent hand but not one that we're overly confident with as we've not really shown any huge strength.

He could easily be on a similar hand to us with a weak kicker but feels he can get us off a split pot by shoving.

I guess the check call seems wise having thought about it.

Tough spot Tank.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: vegaslover on February 17, 2009, 02:21:20 AM
If he's aggro loose and been raising light, I'm probably reraising the flop.
He may well of hit the 10, tried to look weak on turn and river, and trying to make it look like he's stealing.
Do you think he has a grasp on you that tells him he can get you off hands?


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: thetank on February 17, 2009, 06:57:03 AM

Do you think he has a grasp on you that tells him he can get you off hands?


Can't recall tbh.

Probably not, this is the first tournament we've played and I'm not usually one for laydowns :)


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 17, 2009, 09:39:44 AM
What worse hand do you think he flat calls your river bet with Tank?  Do you think he calls with a 5?


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: Royal Flush on February 17, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Tank i think you played this fine, bet/folding river is cool with no history can't see you ever getting bluffed here and he might hero us with his Jx PP K hi whatever.


Title: Re: Heads up line check, late stages of $50 STT
Post by: dousche on February 20, 2009, 08:45:44 PM
Tank i think you played this fine, bet/folding river is cool with no history can't see you ever getting bluffed here and he might hero us with his Jx PP K hi whatever.

i thought i liked a river check-call but probably getting heroed a lot when he thinks you missed the diamonds.