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A rather humorous thing happened to me last night which restored my faith in ye olde Poker Gods.

Playing live at my local casino, I folded UTG and shot off to the toilet, when I came back I was on the small blind, damn speedy players. I arrived back as the cards were being dealt.

I assumed that my hand was dead as the cards were in the air before I sat down, but the dealer didn't muck them post deal and no-one said anything.

Anyhew, mid-position raise, flatted in the cutoff and folded by the button, I look down at KK and announce raise. BB immediately pipes up that my hand is dead as I wasn't at the table during the deal.

I decide to challenge him and say that as no-one had mentioned it and there had been action by 8 players in front of me then my hand is live again. Floor is called and my hand is mucked.

BB then pushes all-in over the top and is snap-called by the initial raiser, cutoff folds and BB's AQ fails to improve against AA.

Had to say thanks to him for saving me a bundle of chips as he swore his way from the table.

Busted soon after outside the cash, but that really made my night.

P.S. on an aside note was my reading of the rules correct, or was I in error regarding the my hand being live or not?

Cheers

I would assume that if the cards aren't mucked by the time there is action, then they're live.

And BB is a douchebag LDO.

Avoiding this KK vs AA cooler was the poker Gods way of saying thankyou for washing your hands.

Why go for a slash UTG anyway? Can you not time your bladder to go in mid position?

I seem to remember seeing a notice at Walsall that the hand is dead if you're not sitting down when the second card is dealt. The fact that the deal has started makes no odds it seems.

Some dealers have a habit of not mucking cards in front of an empty chair until action reaches that point. Not on a par with your post but something that ought to change perhaps.

Seems fair enough that hand is dead (so long as rule consistantly applied)

Original raiser is still a douche, ldo

Yep, the new Grosvenor rule apparently.  The deal starts when the first riffle takes place, and you have to be in 'your playing position' (don't think it mentioned seat) when the last card is dealt (I think it was that rather than your second card).  Should make for some interesting steeplechases across the room when a player sees the dealer start dealing at his table as he walks back across the crowded card-room.

D- must pay more attention robert

the notice that you read stated that a player must be at his playing position (note: they do not have to be seated) by the time the button receives their 2nd card, i.e. the deal is complete

this new grosvenor rule finally brings them into line with the rest of the world

C- must type quicker ;whistle;

Don't be pedantic, my playing position is sedentary.

lol mug

you only understand the rules 'cos I explained them to you about 5 times after you insisted on mucking your live hand from the sb. was pure com as the bb also mucked for no good reason and utg player just sat there looking very confused about the whole affair as he now became 3rd to act

I was drunk.  I was still playing.  You were railing. 

You were still playing kin? You must have got drunk v v early then.

[X] you were drunk
[  ] I was railing
[  ] you lasted very long despite it being dc
[X] I lasted a lot longer

I final tabled. 

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lolol. did you fuck.

you went and played the gukpt satellite instead

Oh THAT one.  Did I play in that?

and there are loads that don't wash their hands then go and play with the chips and cards that will make there way to you, then you end up getting 2ND hand piss on yr mitts..think about it the next time a smoker goes for a fag at the break b4 washing there hands or indeed eating errrggg

but wb tuffster where u been??

saw a programme last nite where andy black was in same position asking for his hand to be declared live but TD said as he wasn't sitting it was declared dead..

Hi Ian,

Have been away dealing with a few things recently but am back again now.

In relation to the original question, the house rules were that my hand was dead because I wasn't in my seat when the first card was dealt, so fair enough there. But the question that I had was; because the dealer hadn't mucked my hand and 8 people had acted, is my hand actually live "again" as no one had declared the hand dead until that point?

I think I remember reading somewhere that it's the duty of the dealer (and the players to make the dealer aware) to muck the hand before 3(?) people had acted. I could easily be very far from the mark here though.

where were you playing? I assumed that grosvenor's new rule meant that all uk casinos were in line on this rule

given that those were the rules I'd have to say your hand is dead. once it's dead it remains dead, there's no reincarnation rule in poker regardless of action