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I was on a bus today.. and sitting across the way was a very tired and harrassed looking woman with her two offspring aged about 6 and 4.

The four year old was crying and wailing about something or other while the older kid was banging on and on about what he wanted: toys, sweets, comics dvds etc etc and had a really irritating voice.

To be honest they were driving the whole of the passengers mad.. I had to feel sorry for the poor mother who didn't seem to have a clue how to cope.

Then a guy of about 50, in the seat in front of the family turned round to the kids and said very loudly "You are driving us all mad, stop being naughty and be quiet!"

I have never seen anyone do this before.. anyone got any thoughts about this situation?

the mum was probably very grateful !!

Most would take massive offence though and start a slagging match.

Personally i would have just shot them

1) wtf you doing on the bus? you're a superrunhotlagtard poker/gambling pro, get cabs!!!!!!!!!!

2)what kids these days wants comics?

3)he shouldve said something to the mother not the kids, i know girls that wouldve scratched his eyes out for doing that.

of course, and why not? you cant start giving other peoples kids you dont know instructions, i'd go mental!

it's not like reading something in the Sun and thinking: "hhhhhhmmmmmm, i have no idea about this situation but theyve worded it in a way that makes me think i should i hate somone/something, so i'll be outraged and offended just to be on the safe side"

she's entitled to be offended, that guy took a liberty, if i was on the bus i'd of asked him if he knew her, if he said no i'd of said dont talk to her fucking kids then

Really? When I grew up it was quite commonly accepted that an adult could tell any misbehaving or obnoxious kids to behave. I actually think that there's nothing wrong with it.

i dont know where you grew up or how old you are so i dont know if thats a generational or cultural thing, or maybe it's just how i was brought up but theres no way that can be right, where does it end, whats the line?

these days theres too much legal and social ambiguity about, not just parenting and corporal punishment, but  social etiquette, it's a different world and you just cant do things like that, those actually for me arnt the reasons why i think it's a bit naughty but i imagine it's less and less common(if it was at a time regular practice) because community's arnt how they used to be and you'd be more likely chased off the bus for being a pedophile than actually get the kids to be quiet but i dont think you should be doing that sort of thing anyway, if i was a parent i'd go mental at the guy.

Must eb a generational thing...when I pulled some shit in the neighbourhood and the neighbour caught me he'd pull me up for it and my dad never had a problem with it. The guy wouldn't just ebat the shit out of me or anything..people just kept an eye on eachother's kids..keeping them safe but also letting them know when they were out of order. It makes perfect sense to me.

yeah but that's not a stranger on the bus though, i tell my mates kids off all the time, it's not really the same.

if the respect and trust is there its o.k for a neighbour to do that i think but not some random bloke on a bus.

Same here mate, the neighbour would give you a ticking off and you'd accept it and go on your way......................with the fear that if they actually mentioned to your dad that they had reason to chastise you, your dad would give you a whipping........changed days indeed.

Geo

I was on the tube not long ago and there was a mother with two children and both the childeren were playing on games consoles with the sound turned on and seemingly on maximum volume. I had a headache anyway and the combined noise from both machines was unbearable. I had several stops to go and by the look of it, so did they. I put up with it for a couple of stops, then politely asked the mother if she ask them to turn the sound off on their games machines. She replied rather unhelpfully that it would make no difference if she asked them to turn the sound off, as they would be so annoyed at being told to do so that they would refuse to do so. Obviously it annoyed me that she wasn't going to make any effort to tell them to turn it off. So I asked her again and told her to try to ask them and see what happens. She reluctantly told them to turn the sound off. They obeyed her instantly and made no fuss whatsoever. I was happy with the eventual outcome but annoyed that the mother was initially not prepared to tell them to do it without me insisting. The other passengers gave me 'thank you' smiles for doing it, but perhaps I should have bypassed the mother and asked them myself.

Bad parenting drives me mad, but I see it so often I have to bite my tongue as I think reacting to it will often make things worse.

I tend to agree with Boldie though, kids should learn to behave in public or face the consequences of being shouted at. Respect for elders and all that, I am sure it existed when I was a kid.

Defo agree with the old bloke in this spot, tell them to pipe down.  Most kids will respond to a stranger, if they ignore swift clip round the ear FTW

This shows why our country is going down the shitter, now I am only 30 but when I was a child I was taught to repect adults in any form, if I gobbed of to them I expected to be told off. I think this is totaly fine, kids generaly are not worried about what the parents will do because due to being such a nanny state now they may give them a few minutes on the naughthy step or threaten to take the wii away, I am sure if there was still the thought that a teacher, copper or just a adult other than the parent was going to disapline them we wouldn't have so many crimes and troubles with the youth of today.

Whats going to happen in 10 years? these little shits that are hanging around on corners with knifes and guns at the age of 10 because its cool or they feel they have to because of there own safety, these rats are going to be the parents and how will they treat/ raise their little rats? bring back maggie, bring back the cane and ffs bring back some bloody common sense to this country.

lol, comedy post of the year so far.

The Camel's like Stelios................likes to keep an eye on his transport fleet.

Its only Feb, but I agree .... that will take some beating :D

If I carry on backing teams like fucking Tottenham I'll be walking let alone taking the bus.

Kids may have had more respect for their elders in days of yore, but there's another side to that coin.

Having less respect for your elders isn't always a bad thing. Makes life a lot more difficult for the MikkyT's of this world.

Unfortunately there are more instances of child abuse from within the family, as in the MikkyT case than actually from strangers. And it's considered that a lot of cases don't come to light due to the family connection.

Geo

wow...I never even thought about making that link....and still don't know whether it makes any sense to do so.

So you're saying that peadophiles had it easier in the olden days when kids respected their elders?

I don't know about sexual abuse, but I've heard it said in conjunction with physical abuse in educational and religious enviroments.

I'm sure sexual abuse on kids went unreported aot more in days gone by.

...which could also be down to the reasons Tank mentioned...

Or still does in countries governed by medieval laws.

I don't think you'd find many paedos willing to travel back in time and give up their Bebo.

Yes, because nothing says "respecting your elder" than letting them have a little fiddle.

Really...does anyone seriously believe that kids disrespecting their elders will lead to less child abuse?
Of course it went on in days gone by...and Yes, it was probably kept quiet more (at least it wasn't in the media every other day, and it was probably not reported to the police as often as it is now...people also probably dealt with it their own way)..but I think it's probably safe to say it went in just as much as it does now. So the argument for it being a good thing that kids don't respect their elders as it leads to peadophiles not being able to do their thing is surely a false one?
Peadophiles can either kidnap a kid (and a young child can say "Fuck off, you perv!" all he likes when thrown into the back of a van...so the disrespect thing not really helping there) or he can groom a child...win their trust etc. etc. in which case the kid would start to respect him....or he's (and this is MUCH more likely) in a position of power/authority already and the child starts to be abused from a young age (or at least prepped for it)...in which case the "disrespect " thing also doesn't hold.

Honestly...the link is spurious at best.

You're not wrong there...peadophilia seems to be an international thing now...don't think you had that much in the olden days.

The thing is of course that kids should respect their elders but taught to question authority...unfortunately tis line seems to have been crossed somewhere.

kids should respect their elders, society's changing, it's not like the olden days etc etc, i agree with all that but fail to see the correlation between a less than enthusiastic modern day mum and a stranger talking to someone elses kids uninvited, it wasnt really the question, everyone's pointing out ridiculously obvious things like: "kids should respect their elders", it's the mums fualt, kids should be good, really? kids should act good and stuff? wow!! some people on here should write a book, think how we'd progress if everyone knew this revelation? why hasnt this been released into the public domain? "kids should be good" wow, impeccable insight!!!!! you've all dazzled me with your astute comprehension of parenting in sociology, sigh! if she wants to raise her kids to have no respect thats up to her, she has the right to bring up her kids like that if she wants and no interfearing stranger has the right to tell her(least of all her fucking 6 year old kids) any different!

If a kid on the bus is making noise you've got every right to tell that kid to quit his noise. Course you have. Anybody who sits through that bus journey getting pissed by the kid and not saying anything is very dumb imo. You've paid the fare so you can speak up. So the guy had the right idea but his strat was bad. If you talk down to the kid you risk the wrath of any protective mom/bolt passengers, and the kid will probably tell you to fuck off anyway. You got to get down with the kidz to get them to do want you want. You see, if it was big dudes making the noise instead would that guy have used the same tone & attitude? So it's the guy's tone that's the problem, not the request.

I was in the soft play the other day, supervising my wee girl toddle about in the under 2's bit. She's about 14 months old.

This wee boy, about 3, went right up to her and knocked her over with a bit of rough play, like he was tigging her in tig and tag, but a little too heavily. She was ok and stuff, got right back up but then the wee boy knocked her over again. Again she got up and all seemed fine, but I was like, wtf has this kid been watching wrestling matches or some shit.

Honestly didn't know what the fuck to do. Just picked up the daughter and we went to a different part of the place.

"Just tell the wee boy to be careful" was the advice given to me, and fair enough, seems kind of ldo n stuff. At the time though, I was like "wtf do we do here?" and decided to err on the side of caution.

Kids cry and have whiny voices. Is this a new thing?

Shouldn't we just be a bit more tolerant of kids acting normally?

If a child is behaving badly then asking them politely to be more considerate is not out of order, and will be successful in the vast majority of cases.

Its not just kids, ignorant adults are just as bad.

Was sitting in a quiet restaurant with the missus the other day and someone at a table nearby was typing out war and peace on a text message. Wouldnt be a problem maybe but they hadnt siwtched off the key tones on their mobile.

After 2 pr 3 long messages had been exchanged. Beeb boop beep baap beep boob baap beep. I was getting fcking annoyed and in the end had to walk up to the table and ask them to put their phone on silent if they wanted to continue. How can people be that ignorant as to not be aware how many people they are pissing off?

lol, dont bad beat this fella at DTD next weekend!!!!   ;)

hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm, i feel kind of a hypocrite now but this seems to me to be an exception whereby it would probably be o.k as protecting your own child sort of takes precedence over any other social convention etc.

also i think theres probably a big difference in a complete stranger admonishing the kids the way he did in the OP's description and saying to a kid pushing over your daughter: "son, you have to be careful with her, she's a girl and a bit younger than you, you cant push her around like that, good man", cos thats what i wouldve said and id of felt alright about saying it as well.

Just turn up your mp3 player.

Camel rides the bus, that is as far as i got. Honestly wtf! Time is money!

Kids/People just have no idea of bus etiquette these days! the two things that annoy me most...

1)No-one ever gets up for old people/pregnant women anymore. It's disgusting.

2)Every group of teenage boys decide to play their Channel U remix from their phone on max volume.

 

I'm fairly easy going, but this really annoys me.   ;grr;

A couple of years ago I used to get the bus home from work with a friend of mine - the whole way through her pregnancy, nobody ever gave up their seat for her to sit down.

I generally expressed my anger at the inconsiderate chavs who were doing this by giving them a jolly stern look - I think that put them in their place.

Same happened to my wife last week on bus to Ripon, bus was packed, waited 10 seconds before telling the first person I saw under 60 to get up in a loud voice.  She's 9 1/2 months gone, sadly I was not suprised.

:o

My two children have never been smacked though I have nearly snapped a couple of times, and they are as well behaved as I was at their age.
They are punished by use of the naughty step or being put in their bed for the appropriate minutes.
They both have respect for me and their mother, without the need of resorting to a smack.

There are too many women who are just obscenely fat that it's difficult to tell who is pregnant and who isn't. Someone even designed these for pregnant women to wear to avoid the 'is she pregnant or just a porker?' dilemma.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2347/2388694454_3d082165f0.jpg)

Sisters, put the Gregg's pasty down and maybe the pregnant will be more easily identifiable.

Maybe in early pregnancy Andrew, but there was no way anyone could not have realised I was pregnant when I was 7+ months gone and I still had to stand on the tube around 70% of time on my way to and from work.  At 8.5 months gone and on my last journey to work before going off to have Hannah the woman standing next to me even commented loudly that she thought it was disgusing that no one had offered me a seat.  Then, when someone got off at the next stop and I went to sit down someone else actually tried to move in quickly from the other side and take the seat themselves!   

oh was that you?

 if i had known you then i would have waited

Maybe not all woman are big from eating and have a medical condition that prevents them from being the slim woman they always hoped to be!

On the topic of the OP I have the 3 children and my mother brought me up the old school way, I wouldnt blink if someone had asked my children to be quiet if they were being a nuisance, as long as it was not said in an over nasty way, but I guess im fortunate that mine show respect to others on the bus by being their playful selves without being over noisy.

I don't believe in smacking my kids, I have the naughty step too and also their room is the place to have a time out when needed and it works well and I am fortunate to have 3 happy kids who respect me.

*sigh*

I will try and make my joke posts less subtle in future.

I was pretty friendly with the barmaid at the local pub years ago.

I hadn't been in for a coupld of months and when I went back she had gained weight in *that* area.

I innocently asked her when the big day was...

I have since learned not to ask questions like that if I am not sure of the answer... it the quickest way to end a friendship!

It is a very good rule that unless you can see the kid emerging you NEVER ask a woman if she's pregnant, always let them tell you.

Ronald, disciplining kids since 1955

I usually threaten badly behaved kids with retro-active birth-control, that soon gets them back into line.

Am taking Thomas on a bus tomorrow no DS no nothing,should be fun as he just cant sit still and be quiet,

bet there will be loads of tch tch thc's and under the breath comments.

Always nice when someone says cant you keep him still or quiet,especially when they can see I'm doing my best to keep him still/quiet.

it usually gets the response "when they get a cure for autism maybe" followed by an embarrassed look away.

It is a good feeling.

wtf

Those $2k HU SNGs aren't as profitable as they used to be.

result,, the bus was virtually empty both ways...

there was a sign on the bus saying no amplified noise is permitted and that headphones must be used

Another bus/disacplining story..

I have just got off the bus at my normal stop, only to be confronted by ten 11-15 year old kids, now as the bus was coming around the corner they started pelting the bus with rocks on my side causing 2 windows to smash into the bus, including the window I was sat next to and the one a few infront. When I got off the bus (about 30yards) down the road they noticed me getting off and decided to throw more rocks in my direction that just bounced of parked cars.

How should I have dealt with this ?

Let it go, walk away?

chase them, slap them about a bit?

chase them try and speak to the parents?

What are peoples thoughts, or what would you do?

you can kick the shit out of 10 15-year olds?

Maybe kicking shit out of them is a over statement, maybe just slap them about a bit <------- epic 1000 th post

Are there any pretty girls watching?

If not, leggit... ldo, they've got stones!

easy 1 on 1 but mob handed    no chance..

i dont mean the physical side what should i do moraly, should i just let them get away with it because society says they cant be told off/ slapped by anyone except thier parents.

I'd give them a suitably stern look.

I don't think you'd be getting any problems after that.

Make sure you're wearing Jon's hat when you do.  Oh yeah...pics too please or it didn't happen.

did the bus driver realise what had happened (windows smashed) ?  Surprised he didn't stop the bus as call the police tbh - I know chances of kids still being around when cops turn up is minimal, but could have been caught on CCTV.

Hope no one was hurt.

I was already of the bus when he went to look at the damage, no one was hurt I got hit with a bit of glass but only a little cut, now all those people that were happy earlier in this thread that we could not even tell kids of, ehat are your opinions, what would you do if you were on the bus with your kids and they got a little cut?

i wouldnt be worried about society judging me for having a go, i'd be more concerned about them jumping me and trying to stick a knife in my chest.

you can't compare little kids being a bit naughty/annoying with teenagers causing criminal damage and throwing rocks at people.

I would imagine that the kids who get away with annoying people on buses without being made to stop turn into teenagers who throw rocks at buses without fear of punishment.

Interesting point. I would go ballistic if I was with my little sister/cousin etc and something like that happened.

One of the teenagers would definitely be getting hurt

you cant fight 10 teenagers, no one can, especially whilst in charge of minors, it's just not happening.

if I ran at the group of 10 11-15 yrs old I think 5 would prop run off then you smack one and another 2 would go, so I dont think its impossible, but is it the right thing to do? if not why?

they're not running off, they're all carrying knives, you're gonna throw your life away so you an come on blonde and start a thread about how you tackled some misbehaving youths.

You don't have to.

Just give one a big crack and see how brave they are then

FYP

If they are disrespecting other people then they should be told.  I tell other peoples kids to be quiet many times every day...

I'm with bolty on this one.  You'd be mad to attempt to take on 10+ tooled up 15 year olds. 

there was an incident in Greenford today where something happen on a bus with a load of kids and a women dunno what happened but the women was on the bus and there was 8 PCO's and PC's in attendance

EDIT*   PCO as in the part time plastic coppers, community support officer is what they are called i think

aha PSCO Police Community Support Officer

which is why everyone should carry a knife or gun.

Been there got the T shirt says Darren.

yeah but then the kids would start carrying acid and rockets and nuculear weapons

level?

Greatest comeback ever.

I don't think a stranger stepping in and telling little kids to behave  is going to make any difference to how those kids behave when they are older (and I have to say I think it's a heck of a leap to assume that those children will later be throwing rocks at people).  In a group of 10 15 year olds, peer pressure is most likely the main cause.  Yes, the ringleaders might have not been properly taught right from wrong as kids, but that's down to their parents/schooling etc.  I can't see that a stranger on the bus telling a small child to behave when their parent is not keeping them in line is going to have any significant impact on how they behave years down the line.

As for the bus incident, what i'd like to do, and what I would do are poles apart... 

Risk>>>>>>Reward

But if noone tells them to behave how will they learn? If more strangers told kids to behave when they were misbehaving maybe they'd get the message that society expects you to behave properly?

Yep definate level from boldie. He meant a knife AND a gun.

oh yeah....sorry.

+1

As a member of society you are directly responsible for how society progresses. It is pointless and futile moaning about any anti-social behaviour if as a member of society you turn a blind eye to the direction it is travelling in.

 
http://digg.com/arts_culture/Glasgow_Gangs_Documentary_On_Gangs_And_Violence_From_1968

Society is no worse or better than it has been in the past.  We've moved past the stage of religious lunatics indulging in mass murder but thats about it.   

http://digg.com/arts_culture/Glasgow_Gangs_Documentary_On_Gangs_And_Violence_From_1968

Society is no worse or better than it has been in the past.  We've moved past the stage of religious lunatics indulging in mass murder but thats about it.  [/quote]

I'm not suggesting society is travelling in any particular direction. Only that if eg we want to live in a clean street then you. me, and everyone else living in that street should pull up litter louts. If we don't then ok, but then moaning about the litter problem is simply wtf. As members of society we are largely responsible for social etiquette and the enforcement of it.

i can never decide if you are levelling or not jon

for what its worth, my views in parenting and anti-social behaviour from kids are very right wing. Bad parenting is almost 100% to blame for why the kid turns into a bad egg. Manners, courtesy and respect ftw.

bollocks - when I was young I did stupid things and now I'm old why should I expect kids to do anything different. 

I really wouldn't care much about noise on a bus (though it's been more than 10 years since i've been on a peasant carrier), kids are kids, they moan and whine so what?
Now if kids hassle my kids or are just generally rude or abusive to me or my family i go round their house and ask for their dad, if they get lippy you can justifiably slap them about a bit.
Much the same as if a bird gets gobby in the pub, i just tell em to shut up or i'll slap their boyfriend/husband, works wonders.

i did this once, turned out her BF was a brick shithouse. Didn't do it again