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Title: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 05:43:47 AM ok i dont know very much about computers so im looking for some pointers
im looking at this site http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/index.php?page=form&&select=intel1 which i think is the perfect answser to my problems this computer will be a poker computer only. i need wifi i need it to cope with 2 x 22" monitors with a 1680x1050 resolution quiet preferably thats about it, looking for reliable before flash in thepriority stakes thanks in advance Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 05:56:27 AM this is my first stab
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™2 Duo E7400 (2 X 2.80GHz) 1066Hz FSB/3MB L2 Cache Memory (RAM) 2GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY (2x1GB) Motherboard ASUS® P5N73-AM: DDR2, S-ATA II, 1 x PCI-E x16, 2 PCI, etc Operating System NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED USB Options 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD Memory - 1st Hard Disk 160GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm) 2nd Hard Disk 160GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm) RAID (HDD 1 & 2) NONE 1st CD/DVD Drive 22x DUAL LAYER LIGHTSCRIBE DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM 2nd CD/DVD Drive NONE Graphics Card Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7050 CineFX 3.0 Graphics 2nd Graphics Card NONE Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD) Modem NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND Network Facilities WIRELESS N 300Mbps PCI CARD (£14) Floppy Disk Drive NONE Memory Card Reader INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) Case Stylish Black/Silver Trident case + 2 front USB Power Supply & Case Cooling 450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£28) Processor Cooling SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£15) Firewire & Video Editing NONE TV Card NONE Monitor NONE 2nd Monitor NONE DVI Cable NONE Keyboard & Mouse NONE Mouse NONE Speakers NONE Printer NONE Surge Protection NONE Webcam NONE Headsets (VOIP) NONE Anti-Virus NONE Office Software NONE External Hard Drive NONE Home Installation NONE Warranty 1 Year Return-to-Base incl 1 Year Free Collect & Return: £5 Delivery STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI) Build Time Standard Build - Approximately 10 to 12 working days Quantity 1 total cost £418 inc VAT and Delivery. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 05:57:29 AM im assuming this is too high spec for my needs?
looking to get it done for 250ish Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 06:21:39 AM reading some forum threads the general advice is 2 hard drives, 4gb ram, good video card or 2 decent ones, everything else can go to hell.
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Ironside on February 22, 2009, 07:25:45 AM only need 1 hd if its for poker, intergrated graphics card will do, cant see the need for 4 gig ram.
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 07:29:59 AM just reading this guys thoughts on the subject, i actually think he is saying 4 hard drives, ffs lol.
"Anyone serious about multi-tableling more than 4 tables with HEM needs a fast disk subsystem. 2 velociraptors in a mirror set is NOT the answer, and SSD is not the answer. The real answer is 4 cheap drives - like 250gb satas for 50$ each using intel matrix raid. This is especially important if you import hands on a daily basis from a history service and want to minimize your import times. This is because raid 1 and SSD both SUCK for write performance, and that is around 75% of what HEM is doing. The more tables you run, the more writes you are making. Memory is 2nd, and proc is 3rd. I would much rather have a slow proc with a ton of ram and 4 disks than a fast proc with less ram and 1-2 disks - any day. I am a Database Administrator by trade, and I am thinking about building custom poker PCs on the side. Microstakes to Nosebleed. I am working on spec-ing out a monster for one of the nose-bleed guys now with 4 24 inch monitors, and a big veloci-raptor raid. I was thinking I would build a few custom PCs for 2+2ers at my cost to get some referrals for future customers. If anyone is interested, hit me up. I will work with you and build you exactly what you want/need." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/buying-new-computer-need-advice-377737/index3.html Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on February 22, 2009, 09:06:43 AM 2 velociraptors in a mirorr?
wtf??? Is this something to do with vampire dinosaurs? Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 09:15:09 AM who knows
close to throwing in the towel and buying a dell Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Tractor on February 22, 2009, 09:19:37 AM The only way to do it cheap is to buy all the bits and build it yourself.
Try ebuyer, scan or dabs for the bits you need. Also overclockers.co.uk, i think they have a forum too. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 10:07:17 AM http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-084-OK
does this do what i need fits the budget anyway Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 22, 2009, 10:22:46 AM whats the difference between business pc and home pc?
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Graham C on February 22, 2009, 12:44:00 PM Not sure if it's the main difference, but one is that most home pc's (from Dell) don't come with serial or com ports on the mobo. We needed these at work and had to get business one. I guess they charge vat as extra on them too.
Built my own pc for home though, definatley the way to go. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: lazaroonie on February 22, 2009, 05:12:35 PM just reading this guys thoughts on the subject, i actually think he is saying 4 hard drives, ffs lol. "Anyone serious about multi-tableling more than 4 tables with HEM needs a fast disk subsystem. 2 velociraptors in a mirror set is NOT the answer, and SSD is not the answer. The real answer is 4 cheap drives - like 250gb satas for 50$ each using intel matrix raid. This is especially important if you import hands on a daily basis from a history service and want to minimize your import times. This is because raid 1 and SSD both SUCK for write performance, and that is around 75% of what HEM is doing. The more tables you run, the more writes you are making. Memory is 2nd, and proc is 3rd. I would much rather have a slow proc with a ton of ram and 4 disks than a fast proc with less ram and 1-2 disks - any day. I am a Database Administrator by trade, and I am thinking about building custom poker PCs on the side. Microstakes to Nosebleed. I am working on spec-ing out a monster for one of the nose-bleed guys now with 4 24 inch monitors, and a big veloci-raptor raid. I was thinking I would build a few custom PCs for 2+2ers at my cost to get some referrals for future customers. If anyone is interested, hit me up. I will work with you and build you exactly what you want/need." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/buying-new-computer-need-advice-377737/index3.html i think this is nonsense and overkill btw. poker software is some of the least process intensive software out there - and in terms of writing and reading from disk - apart from the hand histories is pretty minor. the ipoker client takes about 80meg, and about 10 meg for every table you open , so if this is all that is going to be running apart from system stuff, it is unlikely to ever use the disk for paging. CPU and memory are what to concentrate on. Intel is obviously good but more pricey than the AMD equivalent. I would go for quad core if you can stretch to it. have you already got your 22inch monitors ? I might have some at a really decent price if you are interested. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 05:56:23 PM just reading this guys thoughts on the subject, i actually think he is saying 4 hard drives, ffs lol. "Anyone serious about multi-tableling more than 4 tables with HEM needs a fast disk subsystem. 2 velociraptors in a mirror set is NOT the answer, and SSD is not the answer. The real answer is 4 cheap drives - like 250gb satas for 50$ each using intel matrix raid. This is especially important if you import hands on a daily basis from a history service and want to minimize your import times. This is because raid 1 and SSD both SUCK for write performance, and that is around 75% of what HEM is doing. The more tables you run, the more writes you are making. Memory is 2nd, and proc is 3rd. I would much rather have a slow proc with a ton of ram and 4 disks than a fast proc with less ram and 1-2 disks - any day. I am a Database Administrator by trade, and I am thinking about building custom poker PCs on the side. Microstakes to Nosebleed. I am working on spec-ing out a monster for one of the nose-bleed guys now with 4 24 inch monitors, and a big veloci-raptor raid. I was thinking I would build a few custom PCs for 2+2ers at my cost to get some referrals for future customers. If anyone is interested, hit me up. I will work with you and build you exactly what you want/need." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/buying-new-computer-need-advice-377737/index3.html This is abs bollox IMO Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Graham C on February 22, 2009, 07:22:36 PM perhaps you only play microstakes and not nosebleed, there's obviously a difference ::)
Tis bollocks +2, I have no trouble running 4 tables with HEM at the same time, plus iTunes and have been known to fire up Warcraft to check on things too :D Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 23, 2009, 08:05:16 AM just reading this guys thoughts on the subject, i actually think he is saying 4 hard drives, ffs lol. "Anyone serious about multi-tableling more than 4 tables with HEM needs a fast disk subsystem. 2 velociraptors in a mirror set is NOT the answer, and SSD is not the answer. The real answer is 4 cheap drives - like 250gb satas for 50$ each using intel matrix raid. This is especially important if you import hands on a daily basis from a history service and want to minimize your import times. This is because raid 1 and SSD both SUCK for write performance, and that is around 75% of what HEM is doing. The more tables you run, the more writes you are making. Memory is 2nd, and proc is 3rd. I would much rather have a slow proc with a ton of ram and 4 disks than a fast proc with less ram and 1-2 disks - any day. I am a Database Administrator by trade, and I am thinking about building custom poker PCs on the side. Microstakes to Nosebleed. I am working on spec-ing out a monster for one of the nose-bleed guys now with 4 24 inch monitors, and a big veloci-raptor raid. I was thinking I would build a few custom PCs for 2+2ers at my cost to get some referrals for future customers. If anyone is interested, hit me up. I will work with you and build you exactly what you want/need." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/buying-new-computer-need-advice-377737/index3.html i think this is nonsense and overkill btw. poker software is some of the least process intensive software out there - and in terms of writing and reading from disk - apart from the hand histories is pretty minor. the ipoker client takes about 80meg, and about 10 meg for every table you open , so if this is all that is going to be running apart from system stuff, it is unlikely to ever use the disk for paging. CPU and memory are what to concentrate on. Intel is obviously good but more pricey than the AMD equivalent. I would go for quad core if you can stretch to it. have you already got your 22inch monitors ? I might have some at a really decent price if you are interested. no not got monitors yet, had my eye on 2 x115 quid acers can you recommend a route to go down, buy this unit...... or buy this refurbed unit..... or buy these parts and self build Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 23, 2009, 08:08:34 AM im aiming to run holdem manager and a poker site with say 16 tables max, (6 to start, but may as well aim high)
needs to be wifi and handle the monitors thats about it i have a laptop for everything else, so its a poker only computer Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 23, 2009, 08:54:10 AM have the chance of a dell dimension 5150 for free/nominal fee.
heres the spec http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_5150?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb im pretty sure everything is default in it, with no upgrades. so my questions are....., can this do what im looking for? can it be easily upgraded to what im looking for? does it support the two monitors? does it have wifi? can i get wifi put in with a usb stick? or do i have to open it up and put a wifi board inside? thanks Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: lazaroonie on February 23, 2009, 02:48:50 PM have the chance of a dell dimension 5150 for free/nominal fee. heres the spec http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_5150?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb im pretty sure everything is default in it, with no upgrades. so my questions are....., can this do what im looking for? can it be easily upgraded to what im looking for? does it support the two monitors? does it have wifi? can i get wifi put in with a usb stick? or do i have to open it up and put a wifi board inside? thanks i think this would be ok - the Intel HT 3.0GHz range of processors is/was really good. Obviously considered a little bit old hat now, it should be ok with vista and 4gb ram, or alternatively it will be very good with XP and 3gb with ram.... you will need to check which graphics card comes installed, and whether it can handle multiple monitors. if not you will be looking at maybe 40-50 quid for a replacement. personally I dont like wifi thru USB - i find it slow and unreliable. If you really must use wifi (because a network cable is always going to be a million percent more reliable and quicker) then I would install an wifi card in the machine, via pci slot. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: lazaroonie on February 23, 2009, 02:50:57 PM btw aria.co.uk are doing the 22inch acer monitors for a ton
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 24, 2009, 02:51:46 PM ok misco.co.uk basket looks like this
monitor 1 100 monitor 2 100 vat 30 delivery 5 total 235 aria.co.uk monitor 1 87 monitor 2 95 ???????????? vat 27 delivery(est) 12 total 221 obv saving 14 quid is +ev, but why is the second monitor 8 quid more? i can only assume its to stop bulk buyers selling them on or something anyway, nice shout laz. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: lazaroonie on February 24, 2009, 04:09:19 PM yeah, aria do a "superspecial" which means it only allows you to buy single items at a special price - and that price for those monitors is pretty decent - i have a trade account with aria and even with the std trade discount i am still paying 105 quid for each unit.
check out aria for a graphics card also - as the delivery cost remains pretty much the same for all order sizes. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 25, 2009, 01:50:46 PM ok phoned dell
they said its a radion x300 (sp?) graphics card it can support two monitors one directly by a blue connection one with the aid of a blue to white connection Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on February 25, 2009, 01:59:50 PM Optional: 128MB PCI ExpressTM x16 ATI RadeonTM X300 SE Hypermemory1 (DVI/VGA/TV-out)
so i think all i need is a vga to dvi connection big cable for tinternet (need to figure out how to get cable from one end of the house to the other) 2 monitors and we are ready to rock and roll Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on February 25, 2009, 04:30:29 PM http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7908141.stm
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Tractor on February 25, 2009, 04:46:13 PM Not sure how much you want to spend it total with monitors etc but cube247 do great systems.
http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=8 (http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=8) Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 09:11:21 PM btw aria.co.uk are doing the 22inch acer monitors for a ton I've just looked at these. How come so cheap?? This website 100% genuine I presume? Anyone had dealings with Aria?? Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 09:14:48 PM Aria are fine, used them before. They've been around for a few years.
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 09:18:40 PM Aria are fine, used them before. They've been around for a few years. Thanks... Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on April 07, 2009, 09:52:16 PM wow, thats freaky
just had my monitors delivered today, 2 acers 22 inch wide, side by side, roll on the grind. Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 09:53:38 PM wow, thats freaky just had my monitors delivered today, 2 acers 22 inch wide, side by side, roll on the grind. What adapter did you use to conenct them Cambo? Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 10:12:45 PM v nice. Wish I had space for two monitors. I have a 17" and a 24", wonder if they'd go??
Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 07, 2009, 10:13:42 PM v nice. Wish I had space for two monitors. I have a 17" and a 24", wonder if they'd go?? I think any two will work together, as long as the resolution is set the same... Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: cambo on April 07, 2009, 10:16:11 PM i dont really know what ur talking about
my graphics card has one vga connection and one dvi, had to get a dvi to vga adapter if thats what u mean? then a bit of fiddling on control panel got the dvi one to work Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: Zanshin on April 07, 2009, 10:30:55 PM Best Solution:
Two monitors of the same size and native resolution with DVI connections and a graphics card with 2 DVI outputs. Next Best: Two monitors of the same size and native resolution with DVI + VGA (or VGA only) connections and a graphics card with 2 outputs (can be 2 VGA, 2 DVI or a mix of both). Just need to use a DVI/VGA adapter as cambo has already done on his setup. Next Best: Two monitors of the same size and native resolution with DVI + VGA (or VGA only) connections and a graphics card with 2 outputs (can be 2 VGA, 2 DVI or a mix of both). I’ve yet to use a graphics card that has 2 outputs that does not have the facility to set up two monitors with different resolutions (not saying that there aren’t any out there though). Next Best: Only one monitor but two times the usual amount of Stella (or whatever your preferred tipple is) which will result in a multi tableing experience where your good sessions are really good and your bad sessions............. well you know where that’s going. GL with the new setup Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 08, 2009, 09:07:08 AM i dont really know what ur talking about my graphics card has one vga connection and one dvi, had to get a dvi to vga adapter if thats what u mean? then a bit of fiddling on control panel got the dvi one to work Yeah thats the adapter I meant, off to get myself one later... Title: Re: custom made pc Post by: TheChipPrince on April 08, 2009, 09:24:14 AM sweet, dvi>vga adapter £19.99 in PC world, £2.12 on aria!!
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