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Title: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Hairydude on February 22, 2009, 07:03:52 PM
just starting on channel 4-should be quite interesting if your into that sort of shit


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: bolt pp on February 22, 2009, 07:05:30 PM
[ ] i am


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 22, 2009, 07:08:11 PM
[ ] I will be glued to it.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
Has been a good series so far, some quite fair perspectives IMO.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Hairydude on February 22, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
lol just me then

edit-well me and grier.

Is the rest of the series available on channel4.com???


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: kinboshi on February 22, 2009, 07:14:16 PM
Thanks for the heads up.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 07:18:31 PM
lol just me then

edit-well me and grier.

Is the rest of the series available on channel4.com???

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: bolt pp on February 22, 2009, 07:36:31 PM
lol just me then

edit-well me and grier.

Is the rest of the series available on channel4.com???

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.

true, but i'd be reluctant to class a C4 filler documentary about Christianity v science as culture.


[ ] there will be new information about subject in this program


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 22, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
to be fair, if it was that fkin riveting, you wouldnt be surfing and posting at the same time  ;nana;


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Robert HM on February 22, 2009, 07:42:04 PM
Christianity v Science

Away win, again.

Program, repeat of edited highlights, again.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Hairydude on February 22, 2009, 07:43:53 PM
I'm enjoying it so GIRFUY  ;nana;


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 07:44:12 PM
to be fair, if it was that fkin riveting, you wouldnt be surfing and posting at the same time  ;nana;

Sky+ I haven't watched it yet, Dancing on Ice FTW.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Robert HM on February 22, 2009, 07:46:13 PM

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.



Sky+ I haven't watched it yet, Dancing on Ice FTW.

Just wanted to see those two comments together, surreal :)


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 22, 2009, 07:48:01 PM

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.



Sky+ I haven't watched it yet, Dancing on Ice FTW.

Just wanted to see those two comments together, surreal :)


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Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: AndrewT on February 22, 2009, 07:48:30 PM
Christianity v Science

Away win, again.

Program, repeat of edited highlights, again.

I hope so, I piled in big time on The Camel's tip to lay Christianity for 500pts.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 07:55:22 PM

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.



Sky+ I haven't watched it yet, Dancing on Ice FTW.

Just wanted to see those two comments together, surreal :)

Its a fair cop.

Its supposedly celebrities but I don't know any of them.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Grier78 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
Lol, it turns out Zabeen only put Dancing on Ice on to try and stop me surfing and pay her some attention.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: cia260895 on February 22, 2009, 08:12:39 PM

For some people culture is what grows on rotten food.



Sky+ I haven't watched it yet, Dancing on Ice FTW.

Just wanted to see those two comments together, surreal :)


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Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: bolt pp on February 22, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
I missed the Victorians at 9pm on the bbc as well, sigh!

I'm not sure an eastenders spin off counts as culture though :dontask:


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: outragous76 on February 23, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
[   ]  the bible is a true story
[   ]  god exists
[ x ]  darwin was right


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Acidmouse on February 23, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Darwin studied theology at Cambridge to become a minister. He also wrote that he believed that natural design proved that god exsisted. He was actually quite religious. So I guess you are saying Darwin was right, God exists?


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: kukushkin88 on February 23, 2009, 01:27:11 PM
Proper education has rendered religion virtually obsolete in Britain and a variety of other countries throughout the world, there are +'s and -'s to this but overall it has to be a good thing.

It will be a massive step towards ending conflict in the world when the Americans (Obama is almost certainly too intelligent to actually be religious but for obvious reasons he must pretend to be) and the Middle East catch up.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: rex008 on February 23, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
Darwin studied theology at Cambridge to become a minister. He also wrote that he believed that natural design proved that god exsisted. He was actually quite religious. So I guess you are saying Darwin was right, God exists?

Which creationist workbook did this come from?

Yes, he originally studied to be a minister before dropping out, but once he started seriously considering evolution in the course of the 20 years or so it took him to write Origin of Species, he became about as atheist as it was possible to be in the mid 1800's. And there's fairly vast amounts of documentary evidence (letters, diaries, etc) to prove that. So yes, Darwin was right, God probably doesn't exist.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Acidmouse on February 23, 2009, 02:05:11 PM
Lots of evidence to say he did / did not believe in God. That was the point of my post, no one really knows. I suggest you read his autobiography the whole way through.

Very few things in life can be confirmed as Facts hence why a little faith is required :) funny eh.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: kukushkin88 on February 23, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/darwin_autobiography.html
Darwin's autobiography electronically.

Religion, regardless of whether it is a positive or a negative influence on humans, is a stunningly flawed concept. In any other field if there is absolutely no evidence for something it is assumed not to exist.

Thanks in part to Darwin's work we will eventually evolve to a position where we don't need religion and can live without this unneccesarry delusion.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: rex008 on February 23, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
Lots of evidence to say he did / did not believe in God. That was the point of my post, no one really knows. I suggest you read his autobiography the whole way through.

Very few things in life can be confirmed as Facts hence why a little faith is required :) funny eh.

Which version of the autobiography is that? The one published at his death with the god-denying bits removed for Victorian sensibilities, or the one published 100 years later with all the original bits in.

Quote
"Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but at last was complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct." (p.87)

Try the bottom of the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin%27s_views_on_religion) for more quotes.

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of evidence to say a started out believing in God and he winded up not believing that any god existed. You don't need faith when have facts. FACT :)


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Acidmouse on February 23, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
If people didn't need faith then it seems strange so many people look for one. Equally it's strange that so many people spend their lives seeking ways to disprove faith and religon.

I say let them believe in what they want, who are we to piss on someones fire?


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2009, 03:01:41 PM
"I will not attack your doctrines nor your creeds if they accord liberty to me. If they hold thought to be dangerous - if they aver that doubt is a crime, then I attack them one and all, because they enslave the minds of men."

Robert G Ingersoll



Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: outragous76 on February 23, 2009, 07:05:19 PM
If people didn't need faith then it seems strange so many people look for one. Equally it's strange that so many people spend their lives seeking ways to disprove faith and religon.

I say let them believe in what they want, who are we to piss on someones fire?

no one will stop you believing what you like - but dont make things up just to suit your arguements There is lot of factual documentation re Darwin - he certainly didnt believe that god created the world etc!!!!!! He wrote and documented much of his later life in diaries! We are fortunate he had such foresight!

what makes me laugh is if someone made this up today they would be 'mad' - yet people freely believe in a baseless faith/religion! Look at the Moormons - plain idiocy what they believe in - that God returned to ...................... America  (oh yeah) in the 1800's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW - did i tell you Elvis bowled up at my house in the middle of the night and we had a beer! It was nice!


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Hairydude on February 23, 2009, 07:10:18 PM
Fvck didnt mean to start a god/godless debate again


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: rex008 on February 23, 2009, 07:52:42 PM
It's a rule of internet forums

rule #333: A random thread must degenerate into a "Does God Exist" debate at least once per month

Didn't you know? :)


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: gatso on February 23, 2009, 08:07:25 PM
for anyone who is both interested and can be bothered to search it out- there was an article in new scientist last week or maybe the week before looking into how the human brain is wired to believe in god/gods and this is why every society through history has had some sort of belief system. I would summarise it for you but I didn't bother reading it


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: doubleup on February 23, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
for anyone who is both interested and can be bothered to search it out- there was an article in new scientist last week or maybe the week before looking into how the human brain is wired to believe in god/gods and this is why every society through history has had some sort of belief system. I would summarise it for you but I didn't bother reading it

So basically you're saying that because I don't believe in God my brain isn't human?



Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-your-brain-creates-god.html


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: bolt pp on February 23, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
for anyone who is both interested and can be bothered to search it out- there was an article in new scientist last week or maybe the week before looking into how the human brain is wired to believe in god/gods and this is why every society through history has had some sort of belief system. I would summarise it for you but I didn't bother reading it

So basically you're saying that because I don't believe in God my brain isn't human?



no, it's because you're Scottish.


Title: Re: Christianity: A History (basically christianity vs science)
Post by: Hairydude on February 23, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126941.700-born-believers-how-your-brain-creates-god.html

Thanks-really interesting