Title: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:38:13 PM pwned - ok, so once upon a time some guy made a typo and everyone thought it was hilarious. When you hear the same joke for the millionth time it is not funny anymore, so why do people continue to tell it? They are not being original or funny by using it now, IMO they are rather sadly merely seeking the acceptance of their peers though the conformity of continued usage of a word that was barely funny in the first place. Be original and own someone for a change.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:42:12 PM FTW - not even a proper expression yet people's need to conform and overuse it has probably led to more gratuitous posts than any other saying.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AndrewT on February 23, 2009, 12:43:58 PM [X] Thread is epic fail ldo.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:44:41 PM Before you ask, yes its one of those days.
;-) Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: kinboshi on February 23, 2009, 12:45:09 PM pwned - ok, so once upon a time some guy made a typo and everyone thought it was hilarious. When you hear the same joke for the millionth time it is not funny anymore, so why do people continue to tell it? They are not being original or funny by using it now, IMO they are rather sadly merely seeking the acceptance of their peers though the conformity of continued usage of a word that was barely funny in the first place. Be original and own someone for a change. [X] Thread is epic fail ldo. This +1 ;) (By the way, IMO is an onlineism) Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:46:55 PM Aaaargh. The putting crosses in brackets thing is of course another of my pet hates.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AndrewT on February 23, 2009, 12:48:16 PM Aaaargh. The putting crosses in brackets thing is of course another of my pet hates. [ ] I didn't guess that might be the case. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:50:04 PM IMO makes sense, as it is simply an abreviation. Yes, i know FTW is one as well, but it is a contrived one.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Colchester Kev on February 23, 2009, 12:50:41 PM GFY
xxx Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 12:52:28 PM lol.
I dont mind lol. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: gatso on February 23, 2009, 12:55:24 PM lolz, you can't go onto an online forum and complain about people using online forum speak.
I assume you don't charge into church and bitch about them using olde worlde bible speak as that'd probs get you cast into the pits of hell. maybe a similar, yet blonde related, punishment should apply here for starting this thread. you could go and live with kev for a week or something Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Jon MW on February 23, 2009, 12:55:41 PM lol. I dont mind lol. Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lol) Quote 1. lol It's original definition was "Laughing out loud" (also written occasionally as "Lots of Laughs"), used as a brief acronym to denote great amusement in chat conversations. Now, it is overused to the point where nobody laughs out loud when they say it. In fact, they probably don't even give a shit about what you just wrote. More accurately, the acronym "lol" should be redefined as "Lack of laughter." Depending on the chatter, its definition may vary. The list of its meanings includes, but is not limited to: 1) "I have nothing worthwhile to contribute to this conversation." 2) "I'm too lazy to read what you just wrote so I'm typing something useless in hopes that you'll think I'm still paying attention." 3) "Your statement lacks even the vaguest trace of humor but I'll pretend I'm amused." 4) "This is a pointless acronym I'm sticking in my sentence just because it's become so engraved into my mind that when chatting, I MUST use the meaningless sentence-filler 'lol.'" See: lmao, lmfao, rofl, lawl, heh, haha, lolol, and 120 for similarities. Statement: Sorry if I'm not too cheery, my best friend just died yesterday. Worthless Reply: lol Statement: The golden ratio is truely an intersting aspect of not only mathematics, but art as well. Worthless Reply: lol Statement: ... And then he says, "Your mom goes to college!" Worthless Reply: lol Statement: Hey, are you doing anything tonight? You could come over to my house and play some Unreal Tournie... Worthless Reply: lol, ok Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: AlrightJack on February 23, 2009, 01:00:39 PM Very good. I will resist the obvious. ;)
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 23, 2009, 05:43:45 PM ship
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on February 23, 2009, 06:47:50 PM FML
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Jon MW on February 23, 2009, 07:44:48 PM FML You can't rant against FML, it's applicable so many times to some of us it must save thousands of man hours. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: boldie on February 23, 2009, 08:42:21 PM June.
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 01:08:04 AM Did you know that prior to the invention of the telephone, the word 'hello' did not exist.
It was invented just so that people had something to say when they picked up the reciever. There was a lexical gap, and it got filled. It's not that there wasn't already a way they could express the sentiment. "Good day to you!" or "How do you do?" but people felt a little silly saying this because they didn't know who was on the other end. "Who is this?" was just a little too rude sounding. "Hello" came along, and fit nicely in the middle. Groups of people, especially young people and siblings, were always inventing new words to express sentiment. A kind of verbal shorthand develops between people in the same environment, with similar interests and/or agendas. This happened before the internet and mobile phones, but these new forms of communication have meant that the same groups of people (same environment with similar intersets etc) are generally much larger. Also, because the new mediums thrive on sharing of knowledge, and most importantly that it is based in a textual format that gives things a permanence, new words exist for longer when first used, and are spread faster. Some will die out as fads, others will thrive and slowly be accepted into everday use. (as hello has outwith the context of telephone calls) The example you cite, pwned is pretty popular and has been around for a relatively large amount of time. It's probably here to stay, although as for whether or not it trancends the internet into everday speak we will have to wait and see. When people say pwned they aren't doing so to make a joke. They're just using something that is, for all intents and purposes, a word. It's not a comical misspelling of owned, it is a synonym of owned, with a narrower scope in it's definition. I can say that 'you own that ladder', and 5 years ago, I would almost definately mean that there's a climbing tool over there which belongs to you, it is a possesion of yours. However, that is no longer the case today. It might be that this aforementioned climbing tool is not a possession of yours, but in saying 'you own that ladder' I wish to express that you have just exhibited a mastery over every one of it's rungs. Better that I use the word pwn instead, that way there's more chance you can work out what I'm talking about. :D Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:11:45 AM Did you know that prior to the invention of the telephone, the word 'hello' did not exist. bollox i'm not reading the rest if it revolves around that statement Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 01:15:27 AM Is it bollox?
I'm just repeating it as an oft repeated factoid. I wasn't around in pre telephone days. Do you have linky linky that I can read about it being bollox? Would be nice to tell someone it's bollox next time I hear it, but would probably want to collaborate such a statement with something concrete sounding. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:19:20 AM Is it bollox? I'm just repeating it as an oft repeated factoid. I wasn't around in pre telephone days. Do you have linky linky that I can read about it being bollox? Would be nice to tell someone it's bollox next time I hear it, but would probably want to collaborate such a statement with something concrete sounding. in what year was the telephone invented? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 01:22:16 AM I dunno off the top of my head. Would have to google it.
I know that it supposedly wisnae Ecky Bell wot done it, but that he nicked it off some Italian chap. ??? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: gatso on February 24, 2009, 01:23:50 AM first use of hello according to OED 1834, well before the phone
Quote 1834 J. C. HART Miriam Coffin II. v. 70 There have we been hunting and helloing all over for thee, and lo-and-behold, thou art here! Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:25:19 AM I dunno off the top of my head. Would have to google it. I know that it supposedly wisnae Ecky Bell wot done it, but that he nicked it off some Italian chap. ??? well i dont know either but am also minded(specifically from godfather 3) that he did indeed nick it off some Italian dude. Not that it needs corroberating, anyone should be able to work out thats bollox but if you find out the year i reckon i can prove it's common usage before that date cos i'm just not having it! Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 01:28:25 AM Cool, I stand corrected then Mr. gatso.
I suppose there's plenty hullos and hallos from earlier still. The phone did good things for hello, would that be fair to say? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:29:46 AM first use of hello according to OED 1834, well before the phone Quote 1834 J. C. HART Miriam Coffin II. v. 70 There have we been hunting and helloing all over for thee, and lo-and-behold, thou art here! exactly, see what i'm saying. you didnt need to look that up though to know in your own heart that there was just no fucking way the term hello didnt pre-date the telephone. I'm a pretty tolerent guy but that's pure sloppy work tank, i dont know where you read it but didnt it strike you as a bit odd? if someone came up to me in the pub and called my bird a slag, slated my familly, called me a mug and poured a drink over my head i'd like to think i could resolve the situation peacefully but if someone came up to me in the pub, right up to my face and said: "did you know the word hello didnt exist prior to the invention of the telephone" then i'd smash his fucking head in. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: gatso on February 24, 2009, 01:31:59 AM I suppose there's plenty hullos and hallos from earlier still. yeah, I actually realised I omitted an important word from my post should've said the first documented use of hello, I'm sure it was used long before then Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: tikay on February 24, 2009, 01:37:01 AM Here is the basis of Mr Tank's story, which may, or may not, be true....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello So he might be wrong - but not very....... Concrete-sounding enough to me. The T-Shirt is cancelled. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 01:40:34 AM first use of hello according to OED 1834, well before the phone Quote 1834 J. C. HART Miriam Coffin II. v. 70 There have we been hunting and helloing all over for thee, and lo-and-behold, thou art here! exactly, see what i'm saying. you didnt need to look that up though to know in your own heart that there was just no fucking way the term hello didnt pre-date the telephone. I'm a pretty tolerent guy but that's pure sloppy work tank, i dont know where you read it but didnt it strike you as a bit odd? if someone came up to me in the pub and called my bird a slag, slated my familly, called me a mug and poured a drink over my head i'd like to think i could resolve the situation peacefully but if someone came up to me in the pub, right up to my face and said: "did you know the word hello didnt exist prior to the invention of the telephone" then i'd smash his fucking head in. That's why this part-time poor excuse for an etymologist stays the fuck out of your local. Learnt that the hard way telling random people in the Dagenham Arms that the punctuation mark ellipses, were named after eclipses. Ellipses have three dots in a row (...) whereas eclipses have three orbs (the sun, the moon and the earth) all aligned. fml... never again They put three dots of their own on my forehead with some skanky darts and said "what the fuck are you gonna call them you posh twat" Had to get a tetanus shot. I'm sticking to the intenetz from now on. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: tikay on February 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:48:09 AM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. how? pure anti t-shirtism imo! look at the whole piece, it documents written use of the word 5 years prior, and then 30 years prior! it's original derivative hullo is noted in use 1838 in oliver twist and also the example given by gatso from around the same time. that's not just a t-shirt, thats a baseball cap and sunglasses as well!! Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:49:47 AM first use of hello according to OED 1834, well before the phone Quote 1834 J. C. HART Miriam Coffin II. v. 70 There have we been hunting and helloing all over for thee, and lo-and-behold, thou art here! exactly, see what i'm saying. you didnt need to look that up though to know in your own heart that there was just no fucking way the term hello didnt pre-date the telephone. I'm a pretty tolerent guy but that's pure sloppy work tank, i dont know where you read it but didnt it strike you as a bit odd? if someone came up to me in the pub and called my bird a slag, slated my familly, called me a mug and poured a drink over my head i'd like to think i could resolve the situation peacefully but if someone came up to me in the pub, right up to my face and said: "did you know the word hello didnt exist prior to the invention of the telephone" then i'd smash his fucking head in. That's why this part-time poor excuse for an etymologist stays the fuck out of your local. Learnt that the hard way telling random people in the Dagenham Arms that the punctuation mark ellipses, were named after eclipses. Ellipses have three dots in a row (...) whereas eclipses have three orbs (the sun, the moon and the earth) all aligned. fml... never again They put three dots of their own on my forehead with some skanky darts and said "what the fuck are you gonna call them you posh twat" Had to get a tetanus shot. I'm sticking to the intenetz from now on. what did you go with? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: tikay on February 24, 2009, 01:50:34 AM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. how? pure anti t-shirtism imo! look at the whole piece, it documents written use of the word 5 years prior, and then 30 years prior! it's original derivative hullo is noted in use 1838 in oliver twist and also the example given by gatso from around the same time. that's not just a t-shirt, thats a baseball cap and sunglasses as well!! 6 years in 130 years = about 4%. Standard deviation & margin for error is 5% in such matters. Accept defeat gracefully. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: gatso on February 24, 2009, 01:51:09 AM maybe it comes from when people had papercups on a piece of string. that's gotta be earlier than proper telephones
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: bolt pp on February 24, 2009, 01:52:23 AM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. how? pure anti t-shirtism imo! look at the whole piece, it documents written use of the word 5 years prior, and then 30 years prior! it's original derivative hullo is noted in use 1838 in oliver twist and also the example given by gatso from around the same time. that's not just a t-shirt, thats a baseball cap and sunglasses as well!! 6 years in 130 years = about 4%. Standard deviation & margin for error. Accept defeat gracefully. sigh, fine, you adjudicate then, when was the first time you heard it used? ;hide; Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: tikay on February 24, 2009, 01:53:37 AM maybe it comes from when people had papercups on a piece of string. that's gotta be earlier than proper telephones Correct. Papercups on a piece of string were invented in 1869, as everyone knows. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Ironside on February 24, 2009, 08:50:12 AM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. how? pure anti t-shirtism imo! look at the whole piece, it documents written use of the word 5 years prior, and then 30 years prior! it's original derivative hullo is noted in use 1838 in oliver twist and also the example given by gatso from around the same time. that's not just a t-shirt, thats a baseball cap and sunglasses as well!! 6 years in 130 years = about 4%. Standard deviation & margin for error. Accept defeat gracefully. sigh, fine, you adjudicate then, when was the first time you heard it used? ;hide; Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on February 24, 2009, 12:49:29 PM Did you know that prior to the invention of the telephone, the word 'hello' did not exist. It was invented just so that people had something to say when they picked up the reciever. There was a lexical gap, and it got filled. It's not that there wasn't already a way they could express the sentiment. "Good day to you!" or "How do you do?" but people felt a little silly saying this because they didn't know who was on the other end. "Who is this?" was just a little too rude sounding. "Hello" came along, and fit nicely in the middle. Groups of people, especially young people and siblings, were always inventing new words to express sentiment. A kind of verbal shorthand develops between people in the same environment, with similar interests and/or agendas. This happened before the internet and mobile phones, but these new forms of communication have meant that the same groups of people (same environment with similar intersets etc) are generally much larger. Also, because the new mediums thrive on sharing of knowledge, and most importantly that it is based in a textual format that gives things a permanence, new words exist for longer when first used, and are spread faster. Some will die out as fads, others will thrive and slowly be accepted into everday use. (as hello has outwith the context of telephone calls) The example you cite, pwned is pretty popular and has been around for a relatively large amount of time. It's probably here to stay, although as for whether or not it trancends the internet into everday speak we will have to wait and see. When people say pwned they aren't doing so to make a joke. They're just using something that is, for all intents and purposes, a word. It's not a comical misspelling of owned, it is a synonym of owned, with a narrower scope in it's definition. I can say that 'you own that ladder', and 5 years ago, I would almost definately mean that there's a climbing tool over there which belongs to you, it is a possesion of yours. However, that is no longer the case today. It might be that this aforementioned climbing tool is not a possession of yours, but in saying 'you own that ladder' I wish to express that you have just exhibited a mastery over every one of it's rungs. Better that I use the word pwn instead, that way there's more chance you can work out what I'm talking about. :D You REALLY need to get out more Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 06:31:51 PM ugh, I clearly just got pwned :(
Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 24, 2009, 06:33:35 PM ugh, I clearly just got pwned :( Yeah you did. DUCY? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Geo the Sarge on February 24, 2009, 06:41:49 PM Tank, Bolty & TK
Thanks, cheered me up no end. (I've had a miserable week) Geo Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: sovietsong on February 24, 2009, 06:56:48 PM junnnnne
[ ] i know what junnnne means. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: tikay on February 24, 2009, 06:56:48 PM Tank, Bolty & TK Thanks, cheered me up no end. (I've had a miserable week) Geo I'd like to cheer you up Geo, really, I would, but I mean, wtf is THIS colour all about? Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Grier78 on February 24, 2009, 07:08:59 PM Many stories date the first use of hello (with that spelling) to around the time of the invention of the telephone in 1876. It was, however, used in print in Roughing It by Mark Twain in 1872 (written between 1870 and 1871),[2] so its first use must have predated the telephone: So Tank might be right - especially if the bloke who invented the first telephone kept it secret for a few years - until someone else invented another one, enabling a 'phone call to take place. He might have invented the telephone before electricity was invented, so had to wait until it was, so it would work. Tank gets the points. The word "hello" was not invented for use with the telephone but its usage was popularised shortly after its invention when it started being used by the telephone operators, who became known as the Hello Girls. Previous to its adoption operators used to say various things like "are you ready to speak" which were quite clumsy in the context. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: thetank on February 24, 2009, 07:32:03 PM junnnnne [ ] i know what junnnne means. An argot of the miners, pay it no heed. Title: Re: Onlineisms rant Post by: Geo the Sarge on February 24, 2009, 07:40:37 PM Tank, Bolty & TK Thanks, cheered me up no end. (I've had a miserable week) Geo I'd like to cheer you up Geo, really, I would, but I mean, wtf is THIS colour all about? LOL Tony, next BB I will parade my lime green and Orange numbers (btw, I always wear socks that match my tops.) Geo |