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Title: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: AlexMartin on February 27, 2009, 12:05:37 AM my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though.
river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right? Full Tilt Poker Game #10858497827: $18,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (81589665), Table 21 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:45 ET - 2009/02/26 Seat 1: iloseflips2424 (11,573) Seat 2: Bergmannen (11,004) Seat 3: SALENTO12 (11,255) Seat 4: 1NEVAK6 (1,702) Seat 5: clotilda (12,125) Seat 6: Strongbad99 (27,809) Seat 7: harley8234 (1,889), is sitting out Seat 8: andend (3,730) Seat 9: shalik malik (11,407) iloseflips2424 antes 25 Bergmannen antes 25 SALENTO12 antes 25 1NEVAK6 antes 25 clotilda antes 25 Strongbad99 antes 25 harley8234 antes 25 andend antes 25 shalik malik antes 25 Strongbad99 posts the small blind of 150 harley8234 posts the big blind of 300 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Strongbad99 [Kc Kd] andend folds shalik malik folds iloseflips2424 raises to 750 Bergmannen folds SALENTO12 folds 1NEVAK6 folds clotilda folds Strongbad99 calls 600 harley8234 folds *** FLOP *** [Tc Th 3s] Strongbad99 checks iloseflips2424 bets 1,100 Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act Strongbad99 has requested TIME Strongbad99 calls 1,100 *** TURN *** [Tc Th 3s] [Qs] Strongbad99 checks iloseflips2424 checks *** RIVER *** [Tc Th 3s Qs] [4s] Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act Strongbad99 has requested TIME Strongbad99 bets 3,300 iloseflips2424 has 15 seconds left to act iloseflips2424 raises to 9,698, and is all in Strongbad99: i suck Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: MC on February 27, 2009, 01:24:33 AM Wow this does look like a flush, can't see it being the ten...
Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: Thekellster89 on February 27, 2009, 01:36:08 AM my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though. river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right? Full (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206)Tilt (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206) Poker Game #10858497827: $18,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (81589665), Table 21 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:45 ET - 2009/02/26 Seat 1: iloseflips2424 (11,573) Seat 2: Bergmannen (11,004) Seat 3: SALENTO12 (11,255) Seat 4: 1NEVAK6 (1,702) Seat 5: clotilda (12,125) Seat 6: Strongbad99 (27,809) Seat 7: harley8234 (1,889), is sitting out Seat 8: andend (3,730) Seat 9: shalik malik (11,407) iloseflips2424 antes 25 Bergmannen antes 25 SALENTO12 antes 25 1NEVAK6 antes 25 clotilda antes 25 Strongbad99 antes 25 harley8234 antes 25 andend antes 25 shalik malik antes 25 Strongbad99 posts the small blind of 150 harley8234 posts the big blind of 300 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Strongbad99 [Kc Kd] andend folds shalik malik folds iloseflips2424 raises to 750 Bergmannen folds SALENTO12 folds 1NEVAK6 folds clotilda folds Strongbad99 calls 600 harley8234 folds *** FLOP *** [Tc Th 3s] Strongbad99 checks iloseflips2424 bets 1,100 Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act Strongbad99 has requested TIME Strongbad99 calls 1,100 *** TURN *** [Tc Th 3s] [Qs] Strongbad99 checks iloseflips2424 checks *** RIVER *** [Tc Th 3s Qs] [4s] Strongbad99 has 15 seconds left to act Strongbad99 has requested TIME Strongbad99 bets 3,300 iloseflips2424 has 15 seconds left to act iloseflips2424 raises to 9,698, and is all in Strongbad99: i suck [ ] wp Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: Thekellster89 on February 27, 2009, 01:37:25 AM river is 100% a check call imo
Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: Rupert on February 27, 2009, 05:49:34 AM bet/folds standard obv. u get value from mid pairs a lot - he might decide to turn these into a bluff for w/e reason - his line rep's a ten/33/44/sometimes a flush i guess but i'm not sure what high cards he decided to float the flop with so flush is pretty unlikely. so readless ya i'd bet/fold. i'd say c/c is pretty bad fwiw - he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them
Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: MANTIS01 on February 27, 2009, 11:33:01 AM Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn raise no?
Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: daviebhoy on February 27, 2009, 04:21:47 PM my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though. river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right? I don't see how he can't be bluffing here ever. You have slow-played your hand and on the river the board is looking incredibly scary. He has no reason to think you have the flush or a house (which you don't). It seems like a great spot to bluff considering there are 7,000 chips in the middle to be won. Looking at it from villains perspective he is likely to have you on a pocket pair or a big ace so I think the river push here is a good play. Axss, QQ or even 44 look more likely tho.... I would tend to check-call the river here as there isn't much you beat that calls on the end but you will pick up extra value from bluffs. Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: daviebhoy on February 27, 2009, 04:30:23 PM he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them You have to weigh this up with the times he has nothing and bets, the times he has flush or house where you lose the minimum and the times you get bluffed off the best hand by bet-folding. If opponent is weak-passive then bet folding is fine but against anyone half-decent then id prefer check-call. Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: AlexMartin on February 27, 2009, 05:23:58 PM Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn raise no? read HH mate ;) bet/folds standard obv. u get value from mid pairs a lot - he might decide to turn these into a bluff for w/e reason - his line rep's a ten/33/44/sometimes a flush i guess but i'm not sure what high cards he decided to float the flop with so flush is pretty unlikely. so readless ya i'd bet/fold. i'd say c/c is pretty bad fwiw - he's not really gonna value bet any small/medium pair here but he will pretty frequently call a river bet with them Yeah river i think is bet/fold as standard, not sure why kellster thinks its to tez but he binked twice so is probs right. Primarily i think c/c is bad because he bets all beeter hands and gets to showdown with worse, JJ/99/AQ etc (fwiw i think he checks back turn w AQ too). my image is tag, im chipleader in the comp. shown down like AK twice and got caught making a cr bluff and had to fold. pretty solid though. river is a bet fold yeah? like he's never bluffing right? I don't see how he can't be bluffing here ever. You have slow-played your hand and on the river the board is looking incredibly scary. He has no reason to think you have the flush or a house (which you don't). It seems like a great spot to bluff considering there are 7,000 chips in the middle to be won. Looking at it from villains perspective he is likely to have you on a pocket pair or a big ace so I think the river push here is a good play. Axss, QQ or even 44 look more likely tho.... I would tend to check-call the river here as there isn't much you beat that calls on the end but you will pick up extra value from bluffs. My hand looks a lot like a mid pp a lot, apart from the river bet of course, genuinely i rarely see players making huge moves on the river on such polar boards on full tilt, especially giving hero 2:1, would appreciate rooks/clamfish/flushies input. b/f > c/c imo Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: MANTIS01 on February 27, 2009, 08:04:20 PM Nice calls pre and flop....but surely those smooth calls set up a turn bet no?
Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: action man on February 28, 2009, 11:03:12 PM there arent many hands that value bet the river here that you beat, if you check to him AQ/QK or complete air. I think your river bet is way too big. Your line looks a lot like a ten, so hands you are hoping call you, i.e mid pairs/Queens/JJ/ might not do in view of your line and your strong river bet. The size of your bet also makes it tougher for him to bluff here, which is what i think you might have been thinking. I bet 2k ish on the river and fold to the shove as i dont think he's bluffing here 99% of the time. Id do a quick OPR. If he's god damn afwul, i may c/c if he's anywhere near +roi then i bet2k/fold.
Even though if u bet 2k he could bluff jam the river with more FE than if you bet 3300, the board texture and your check call of the flop negate the former. Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: Royal Flush on March 01, 2009, 07:39:10 AM there arent many hands that value bet the river here that you beat, if you check to him AQ/QK or complete air. I think your river bet is way too big. Your line looks a lot like a ten, so hands you are hoping call you, i.e mid pairs/Queens/JJ/ might not do in view of your line and your strong river bet. The size of your bet also makes it tougher for him to bluff here, which is what i think you might have been thinking. I bet 2k ish on the river and fold to the shove as i dont think he's bluffing here 99% of the time. Id do a quick OPR. If he's god damn afwul, i may c/c if he's anywhere near +roi then i bet2k/fold. Even though if u bet 2k he could bluff jam the river with more FE than if you bet 3300, the board texture and your check call of the flop negate the former. This is perfect imo Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: neverbluff67 on March 04, 2009, 05:47:59 AM Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before
3bet pre. That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop, As played to the river.. Bet/fold is optimal imo 1500-2kish Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: AlexMartin on March 04, 2009, 07:22:34 AM Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before 3bet pre. That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop, As played to the river.. Bet/fold is optimal imo 1500-2kish cheers for input neverbluff, iv only recently got back into donkaments again. could you expend this point please and give reasoning. I would have though we have the vast majority of his range locked to between 2 and 3 outs. We dont let him continue to bluff/barrel "scarecards" or value cut himself with worse later on if we cr/we just polarise our range to bluffs/biggish made hands. I doubt hes gonna level himself and rebluff and i doubt hes gonna make thin calldowns.......... Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: Royal Flush on March 04, 2009, 07:29:15 AM Villain is an agg reg likely to be multitabling and its unlikely he will have you tagged as tight if you have never played with him before 3bet pre. That said I dont hate flatting pre but i definately raise the flop, As played to the river.. Bet/fold is optimal imo 1500-2kish cheers for input neverbluff, iv only recently got back into donkaments again. could you expend this point please and give reasoning. I would have though we have the vast majority of his range locked to between 2 and 3 outs. We dont let him continue to bluff/barrel "scarecards" or value cut himself with worse later on if we cr/we just polarise our range to bluffs/biggish made hands. I doubt hes gonna level himself and rebluff and i doubt hes gonna make thin calldowns.......... That's the thing though Alex people do make the flop 3 bet on dry boards like that these days, its far more common than you think. Title: Re: mtt, i slowplay...b/f river right? Post by: StuartHopkin on March 04, 2009, 08:56:22 AM What hands are we putting him on to fold at the end?
Does he really check behind on the turn if he has a set? You have shown an interest when calling on the flop. Surely he doesnt try to disguise his hand on the turn. So if thats the case are we saying he has floated the flop with a backdoor flush? Obv not saying any of this is correct, more looking for correction from trigg/flushy and mr martin on the way ive been thinking hands through. |