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Title: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 11:57:17 AM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: RED-DOG on March 03, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

Ommmm.....


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: AndrewT on March 03, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
I'm pretty sure that studies have shown that negative people tend to get more ill than positive people, because being in a happy state of mind releases stuff (hormones, chemicals or something) which make the immune system work better (or a negative frame of mind releases immume system inhibitors - one of the two).

The placebo effect is well documented (but not properly understood).

Having belief in yourself in a poker competition will lead you to not be passive, which will actually help you win.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: kinboshi on March 03, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
Positive thought helped Andrew after his ludicrous answer in the reverse sheep game - so there must be something in it.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: jakally on March 03, 2009, 12:08:05 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

No.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: kukushkin88 on March 03, 2009, 12:13:55 PM
The answer to can you affect your day by thinking positively is unquestionably yes. Your chances in the poker tournament improve as a result of positive thought but it alone won't be enough to win. The heal yourself one is probably the most interesting, being stressed has a negative effect on the immune system so to some extent positive thinking will help but it obviously very much depends on the ailment.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dewi_cool on March 03, 2009, 12:15:59 PM
I'm not sure


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Graham C on March 03, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

Healing - no, if you do then there was nothing wrong with you
Poker - not win, but you can lose by being negative.  Wierdly, I think I suffer more bad beats when I'm really tired.  Stuff like AA losing to smaller pairs seems to happen more when I'm tired.  Obviously I don't have scientific stuff to back this theory up.
Day affected - yeah I think so.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: AndrewT on March 03, 2009, 12:24:46 PM
Positive thought helped Andrew after his ludicrous answer in the reverse sheep game - so there must be something in it.

No - that was a bribe. I offered to give JonMW's hat a little polish.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: tikay on March 03, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
I'm not sure

Needs more love.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: tikay on March 03, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

No.

No.

Yes.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
Positive thought helped Andrew after his ludicrous answer in the reverse sheep game - so there must be something in it.

No - that was a bribe. I offered to give JonMW's hat a little polish.

Something like Prosze mi pomoc? 


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: AndrewT on March 03, 2009, 12:36:45 PM
Positive thought helped Andrew after his ludicrous answer in the reverse sheep game - so there must be something in it.

No - that was a bribe. I offered to give JonMW's hat a little polish.

Something like Prosze mi pomoc? 

Yes - a little something I learned in Conflictsaw.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
so if you think positevly and it doesn't happen, does that then make things worse?





Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dewi_cool on March 03, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
so if you think positevly and it doesn't happen, does that then make things worse?





I'm not sure


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: henrik777 on March 03, 2009, 01:15:11 PM
What if you're on the way to the docs to get the results of a test ? Do you still think positively ?

Sandy


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 01:23:48 PM
What if you're on the way to the docs to get the results of a test ? Do you still think positively ?

Sandy

yes because if it's good news that's great, and if it's bad news the sooner you know the more chance you have of getting whatever it is sorted.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Jon MW on March 03, 2009, 01:32:33 PM
I think there's a biological and a psychological part to it.

I think it's entirely feasible that positive thought can give some biological boost to the immune system - the precise nature of which may not be currently known in full.

And you can get a psychological lift from positive thinking, for instance, in poker you may be more confident of making a move when you're thinking positively - and because you're more confident you will be more likely to succeed.

And there are probably some things which are a mixture of both, like pain management for example.

All in all
positive thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> negative thinking


Although I'm not going to risk trying it, because I'd probably fail.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: kinboshi on March 03, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
You can make yourself ill with worry (usually the digestive system is the first one to feel the effects), so why shouldn't positive thinking at least work to prevent that?  So by not inducing bad effects, it's therefore a beneficial thing.

Good thread Dewi.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: outragous76 on March 03, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
yes
kind of
yes - def

im a believer


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
yes
kind of
yes - def

im a believer

I'm a beleiver too.

This morning before getting up I meditated on getting a phone call today from a good friend. Snatty rings me instantly.

I then meditate on having a calm day with no cockups.  So far I've run out of inco pads, 1 client leaked and 1 cancelled. Perhaps if I hadn't meditated on it, it would have been worse....


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: henrik777 on March 03, 2009, 01:55:36 PM
yes
kind of
yes - def

im a believer

I'm a beleiver too.

This morning before getting up I meditated on getting a phone call today from a good friend. Snatty rings me instantly.

I then meditate on having a calm day with no cockups.  So far I've run out of inco pads, 1 client leaked and 1 cancelled. Perhaps if I hadn't meditated on it, it would have been worse....

So to stay positive you are thinking that if shit happens you just get on with it and deal with it the best you can ?

Sandy


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: AndrewT on March 03, 2009, 02:01:16 PM
So far I've run out of inco pads, 1 client leaked

Good to see you're putting Kev's mind at ease.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 02:03:59 PM
i am just about to check my lottery ticket,I KNOW IT WILL WIN I JUST KNOW IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: jakally on March 03, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
yes
kind of
yes - def

im a believer

I'm a beleiver too.

This morning before getting up I meditated on getting a phone call today from a good friend. Snatty rings me instantly.

I then meditate on having a calm day with no cockups.  So far I've run out of inco pads, 1 client leaked and 1 cancelled. Perhaps if I hadn't meditated on it, it would have been worse....

Perhaps if you hadn't wasted your time meditating, you would have had time to purchase more inco pads, and reduced the chances of leakage and / or cancellations. (Probably. In fact I'm not really sure what inco pads are - could be those blue inky sheets that give you a duplicate receipt for all I know).




Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 02:06:38 PM
IT's all Bollox


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Graham C on March 03, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
1 client leaked

Supposed to surely?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Graham C on March 03, 2009, 02:08:50 PM
IT's all Bollox

No point being positive about checking a past result, if you want to win, be positive for this weeks lottery!


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
IT's all Bollox

No point being positive about checking a past result, if you want to win, be positive for this weeks lottery!


FFs now you tell me


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: thetank on March 03, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

zomg yes

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Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: tikay on March 03, 2009, 02:50:28 PM
Everyone is thinking it.

I suppose I'll have to be the one that asks it.

"1 client leaked".......

Can you, sort of, well, you know, enlarge upon that?

Did you put too much stuff in, or use too much pressure, & so it oozed out of alternative orifices?

Just words please, no pictures.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 03:10:06 PM
Everyone is thinking it.

I suppose I'll have to be the one that asks it.

"1 client leaked".......

Can you, sort of, well, you know, enlarge upon that?

Did you put too much stuff in, or use too much pressure, & so it oozed out of alternative orifices?

Just words please, no pictures.

Doesnt that happen with age?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
Leaked. Not everything made it out through the speculum. Not uncommon particularly with nervous clients who clench. This means the water tight seal your bottom has made with the speculum is no longer water tight so you may leak.

Which is why we have inco pads to catch the drips.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Laxie on March 03, 2009, 06:12:21 PM
Kev in a clench.  I don't envy you.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Dingdell on March 03, 2009, 06:16:32 PM
Kev in a clench.  I don't envy you.

I will be wearing a waterproof outfit.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 03, 2009, 06:30:22 PM
so if you think positevly and it doesn't happen, does that then make things worse?





I'm not sure

Thx now it's all clear

 I think

isnt it?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: RED-DOG on March 03, 2009, 07:50:42 PM
Kev in a clench.  I don't envy you.

I will be wearing a waterproof outfit.

PVC?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: MKKfish on March 03, 2009, 07:53:29 PM
Leaked. Not everything made it out through the speculum. Not uncommon particularly with nervous clients who clench. This means the water tight seal your bottom has made with the speculum is no longer water tight so you may leak.

Which is why we have inco pads to catch the drips.

putty ftw imo


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Swordpoker on March 03, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
What do people think about this?

Can you heal yourself with positive thought?
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

Ooh, my kinda thread.

1) Yes, there was a study done with a game called 'Remission'. It's a game where you fly around the human body blasting cancer cells. One group of children with cancer played this game and a control group played an Indiana Jones game. Recovery rates were significantly higher with the Remission game. Only a small sample have been tested so far...I'm eager to find out how well a bigger sample goes.

2) Not on the belief alone but it's gotta help.

3) Absolutely. If you plan on having a good day you're far more likely to have one.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on March 03, 2009, 11:22:37 PM
I am positive that life sucks

Does that count?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Swordpoker on March 03, 2009, 11:25:21 PM

So to stay positive you are thinking that if shit happens you just get on with it and deal with it the best you can ?

Sandy

That's not thinking positive in my book (well, not positive enough anyway). Much better to plan on feeling good no matter what challenges the world throws at you.

This might sound similar but it's an entirely different mindset.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on March 03, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
I am positive that life sucks

Does that count?

On a serious note, when i used to moan at Foxy (Stuart (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=419) Fox (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=419)) of my poor luck in tourns, he used to always say to me that he would always enter tourns fully believeing that he would win. Stuey is a serious believer in thinking it helps make it happen.

Coincidence with his results? Who knows?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: thetank on March 04, 2009, 11:32:17 AM
It's amazing what can be accomplished when you don't know what you can't do.




Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Snatiramas on March 04, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
Not sure about positive or otherwise..... I am sure about happy. The two often go hand in hand but not always.
I am sure that it is what "I feel" that is the important thing. This was one of the many lessons learnt on the weight loss. People would come up and say "you have lost enough haven't you?" " you will put it all back on". Their opinions in this context are not valid and I now care even less about what other people thin. If positive thought works for you in these contexts then it works....


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: lucky_scrote on March 04, 2009, 12:39:07 PM
I totally believe in thinking positive. In regards to OP's question. 1) Maybe 2) Yes 3) Yes.

You can't just say "I'm gonna think positive" though. Gotta totally put your mind to it and eradicate anything negative that has been bugging you...


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: EvilPie on March 04, 2009, 12:40:21 PM
What do people think about this?

Quote
Can you heal yourself with positive thought?

If it's physical then I strongly doubt it. If it's mental then definitely yes. However, as a lot of physical problems are manifested mentally you could cure a lot of those as well. By this I mean the idle layabouts who always have a bad back or some other ailment.

They're just lazy and don't want to be well.

I don't include people who have genuine physical ailments but want to get better. That's totally different. I'm talking about people who think the whole world is after them and nobody has it as bad as them.

Quote
Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?

No. But it won't do any harm if your opponents see that you are positive thinking and therefore confident of your actions.

Quote
Can you affect your day by thinking positively?

Hell yes. If you want to be a miserable fucker all your life then you sure as hell will be. If you want to be positive about everything no matter what then your day has to be better.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: thetank on March 04, 2009, 12:52:48 PM

1) Yes, there was a study done with a game called 'Remission'. It's a game where you fly around the human body blasting cancer cells. One group of children with cancer played this game and a control group played an Indiana Jones game. Recovery rates were significantly higher with the Remission game. Only a small sample have been tested so far...I'm eager to find out how well a bigger sample goes.


I like this, would like to read more about it if you have a linky?

I may have a problem with the scientific method.

Remisssion game is likely to have been developed for experiment, Indiana Jones game is likely to have been developed with a larger budget for the mass market.
Consequently, Indiana Jones game is probably of a much higher quality than Remission game, or of greater depth and with more detailed graphics etc etc.

You can see where I'm going with this.

Results might have nothing to do with positive thinking.
It could just mean that playing shit computer games is good for your health, and playing good computer games is bad for your health.

Possible reason for this, I dunno, maybe shit computer game invokes imagination more, stimulates brain in key areas which blabba blabba zomg no cancer.


They might have to do it all again with Remission vs. Horace Goes Skiing for me to be satisfied.
;)



Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: AndrewT on March 04, 2009, 12:58:06 PM

1) Yes, there was a study done with a game called 'Remission'. It's a game where you fly around the human body blasting cancer cells. One group of children with cancer played this game and a control group played an Indiana Jones game. Recovery rates were significantly higher with the Remission game. Only a small sample have been tested so far...I'm eager to find out how well a bigger sample goes.


I like this, would like to read more about it if you have a linky?

http://www.re-mission.net


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: thetank on March 04, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
That looks pretty funky actually.

Re-mission, you have my permission to continue. :)


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Lucky on March 07, 2009, 01:02:45 PM
Not sure about positive or otherwise..... I am sure about happy. The two often go hand in hand but not always.
I am sure that it is what "I feel" that is the important thing. This was one of the many lessons learnt on the weight loss. People would come up and say "you have lost enough haven't you?" " you will put it all back on". Their opinions in this context are not valid and I now care even less about what other people thin. If positive thought works for you in these contexts then it works....

That's positive.  You're even thinking thin!


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: matt674 on March 07, 2009, 02:55:46 PM

Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?


What is the point of playing a poker tournament if you dont believe you can win?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Jon MW on March 07, 2009, 03:32:47 PM

Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?


What is the point of playing a poker tournament if you dont believe you can win?

Very good point.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: MANTIS01 on March 07, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
i am just about to check my lottery ticket,I KNOW IT WILL WIN I JUST KNOW IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That is an example of wishful thinking not positive thinking. Believing that your life is fulfilling whether you win or not is an example of positive thought.

We know very little about the brain and so it reduces your potential greatly if you decide it has limited capabilities. I studied NLP when I was a kid training to be a golf pro and learnt that the ability to visualise a successful outcome was the foundation for any top level sport. Obviously positive thought only works when you are actively involved in the outcome or result, so hitting a golf shot and winning the lottery is markedly different because of the level of personal involvement you have.

Can you heal yourself? Absolutely. There are many documented cases. Can you improve your chances of winning a poker tournament? Undoubtedly. If your mindset is positive you will be more inclined to bet draws believing they will come or at least believing you will get your oppo to fold. And if your oppo is a negative thinker he will be more inclined to fold cos he thinks you must have the goods or he wont improve as usual. So positivity breeds aggression and negativity makes you passive, hence you will be better at poker if you are positive.

Training your brain to think positively is pretty tough though...it's like training at the gym to be physically strong. It requires a lot of effort. But people don't like investing their time & energy pursuing stuff that's hard to do when the results aren't instantly recognisable, so they excuse themselves from doing it. If you don't exercise you will be physically weak and if you don't think positively you will be mentally weak...or at least not as strong as you could be.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Sack it off on March 13, 2009, 03:47:22 AM
I swear to god my own mind makes sick beats happen to me.

If I am all in 99 vs 88, his only out is an 8 on the river, I just cant get that number 8 out my head, and it always lands. Its sick i do run horrific online.

However I solved this by playing 10 cascaded tables at once, so when i am all in i dont even see what I am against, as another table has already popped up to take my mind of it. And i swear down the hands hold up.

For live poker before I put my chips in now, I always think to myself "Am I going to win this hand" and I will make sure I believe my hand will hold or i will hit before I put my chips in, and its unbelievable how much this works, but some days I just cant get negative thoughts out of my head and those are the days I get horrific beats etc.

At first I though logically that I will only remember the times this happens and forget about the time it doesnt. Especially with the multi tabling thing because you don't see the beat happen its just a message to say the table is now closed.

But I am so sure it makes my hands win


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: MANTIS01 on March 13, 2009, 08:21:21 AM
I swear to god my own mind makes sick beats happen to me.

If I am all in 99 vs 88, his only out is an 8 on the river, I just cant get that number 8 out my head, and it always lands. Its sick i do run horrific online.

However I solved this by playing 10 cascaded tables at once, so when i am all in i dont even see what I am against, as another table has already popped up to take my mind of it. And i swear down the hands hold up.

For live poker before I put my chips in now, I always think to myself "Am I going to win this hand" and I will make sure I believe my hand will hold or i will hit before I put my chips in, and its unbelievable how much this works, but some days I just cant get negative thoughts out of my head and those are the days I get horrific beats etc.

At first I though logically that I will only remember the times this happens and forget about the time it doesnt. Especially with the multi tabling thing because you don't see the beat happen its just a message to say the table is now closed.

But I am so sure it makes my hands win

Yeah love this. Prob total bollox, but love it anyway. Mike the Mouth said words to this effect recently after announcing he'd finally discovered the secret of winning poker. And Mike's not crazy.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: thetank on March 13, 2009, 08:23:44 AM
The more I type 1time! the better I do.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: MANTIS01 on March 13, 2009, 09:00:02 AM
The more I type 1time! the better I do.

Hachem keeps screaming one time. Maybe there's something in that.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: cia260895 on March 13, 2009, 11:02:22 AM
Think positevly about this and it really does work

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Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: kinboshi on March 13, 2009, 12:06:13 PM

Can you win a poker competition based on belief that you will win?


What is the point of playing a poker tournament if you dont believe you can win?

Very good point.

So why do you play Jon?


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Sack it off on March 13, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
I think the reason is, when something out of the ordinary happens your brain automatically looks for an explanation.

With most people it comes down to "ITS RIGGED ITS RIGGED!!"

I try not to believe in lucky people and unlucky, I try to think that its all just coincidence.

So for me my brain seems to wants to tell me that I made that card hit, Matilda style!!

Imagine if you could do that, make cards come with your head. CRAZY!!


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: The-Crow on March 13, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
Hey,new medicine is tested on patients and 50% get placebos and some of them get better as well, mind over matter works it seems

I do better playing Poker by being more aggressive, cos i don't worry about losing

If I'm feeling miserable in the morning , I feel bad all day

Is this survey a way of testing a new therapy service Dell, think your self well, at £40 per hour

Can I be your" well being" consultant ( rates to be agreed )


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: Swordpoker on March 14, 2009, 08:34:37 AM
Placebo is the best drug around. It's also the most thoroughly tested - they test it against everything.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: xxMAIRxx on March 14, 2009, 08:45:22 AM
I have always believed in the power of positive thinking, much better than thinking negatively.  I dont always do it, but wish I did.


Title: Re: The power of positive thought
Post by: smileriraq on March 14, 2009, 01:08:07 PM
definitely believe in positive mental attitude its got me through some tough times , and i definitely play better when im feeling good about things

positive thinking wont cure everything but viewing the glass as half full will definitely keep you moving