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Title: learning PLO
Post by: dousche on March 09, 2009, 01:38:52 PM
im having a go at taking up plo and was wondering if anybody had any suggestions for books/articles/anything that might help. i play a lot of holdem and feel like i get the basic parts of the game but definitely lacking in the omaha-specific front. any suggestions?


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: kukushkin88 on March 09, 2009, 01:50:42 PM
Rolf Slotbloom's book is pretty much the PLO bible. Other than that the only advice is get it in much lighter than first seems reasonable, people like folding non nut hands in mid/low stakes omaha.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: ACE2M on March 09, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
Rolf Slotbloom's book is pretty much the PLO bible. Other than that the only advice is get it in much lighter than first seems reasonable, people like folding non nut hands in mid/low stakes omaha.

i mostly disagree with all that advice


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: Bainn on March 09, 2009, 02:13:36 PM
Read's Rolf's book but much prefer this -

"POT-LIMIT OMAHA POKER: The Big Play Strategy" by Jeff Hwang.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: sweepstr on March 09, 2009, 02:15:50 PM
rolf slotbloom all the way.otherwise try and have a chat with dave penley , marco clare or richard cowley as they are just wizards in omaha cash games.aces are so badly overplayed and the excellent Martyn (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270) Cavanagh (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=270) tells me that even in the wsope the standard of omaha is pretty awful with players being unable to fold hands like  Qs Qh 3c 2d and  Kh Ks  4c 4d for huge bets and raises. Ahrt Ac


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: ACE2M on March 09, 2009, 02:22:19 PM
has rolf got a new book out or something? the one i have read is a decent book for a single low skill strategy, a good starting point maybe but a long long way from being the bible. Better stuff on 2+2 and other info sites.



Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: sweepstr on March 09, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
this maybe true but if you read the gentlemans initial quote , he says he wants a starting point and there is simply none better than rolfs book my friend.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: EvilPie on March 09, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: kukushkin88 on March 09, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
Just to clarify when I say get it in lighter than you think I don't mean reedic light and I don't usually mean preflop, down the streets people make more bad folds in omaha than they do in HE. Still think Rolf's book is pretty much the bible for someone starting to play omaha.



Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: dousche on March 09, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: NoflopsHomer on March 09, 2009, 02:57:35 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?

I think Stewart Reuben's book is ridiculously bad since it deals with his own personal experiences playing people he has played with for years instead and congratulates you when you play 'as good as him', also it deals with deep live cash and not 100BB's online so incredibly different. I've written a couple of things on PLO somewhere (albeit very basic) I'll see if I can dig them out.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: Thekellster89 on March 09, 2009, 03:06:48 PM
watch cardrunners videos obv, they range from beginning to advanced.

pm me for my username and password mike.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: Madone on March 09, 2009, 03:15:11 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?


Stewart Rueben is a donkey who likes little boys!!


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: EvilPie on March 09, 2009, 03:16:17 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?

I think Stewart Reuben's book is ridiculously bad since it deals with his own personal experiences playing people he has played with for years instead and congratulates you when you play 'as good as him', also it deals with deep live cash and not 100BB's online so incredibly different. I've written a couple of things on PLO somewhere (albeit very basic) I'll see if I can dig them out.

I'd be interested to see these as well Floppy if poss. You can never get too much basic information.

Loads of basic information is far more useful than a little bit of advanced information imo.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: Thekellster89 on March 09, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?

I think Stewart Reuben's book is ridiculously bad since it deals with his own personal experiences playing people he has played with for years instead and congratulates you when you play 'as good as him', also it deals with deep live cash and not 100BB's online so incredibly different. I've written a couple of things on PLO somewhere (albeit very basic) I'll see if I can dig them out.

I'd be interested to see these as well Floppy if poss. You can never get too much basic information.

Loads of basic information is far more useful than a little bit of advanced information imo.

your absolutely crackers if you think these books are 10% as useful as CR vids


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: EvilPie on March 09, 2009, 03:20:58 PM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?

I think Stewart Reuben's book is ridiculously bad since it deals with his own personal experiences playing people he has played with for years instead and congratulates you when you play 'as good as him', also it deals with deep live cash and not 100BB's online so incredibly different. I've written a couple of things on PLO somewhere (albeit very basic) I'll see if I can dig them out.

I'd be interested to see these as well Floppy if poss. You can never get too much basic information.

Loads of basic information is far more useful than a little bit of advanced information imo.

your absolutely crackers if you think these books are 10% as useful as CR vids

I was talking about Floppy's articles not the books.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: sweepstr on March 09, 2009, 03:33:47 PM
couldnt agreemore.a sound grounding in all the basics is essential before you try and get jiggy with it and find that your reads and decisions werent correct.nothing really compensates for getting in there and playing but at the lower limits online its quite difficult as youre up against a mixture of non folders,scandis,stations and a group of good players.it is therefore of paramount importance to have a good basic knowledge and grounding as offered by rolf.players playing .50/1 1/2 wont easily fold queen and even jack flushes and may even call you with k and a flushes on paired boards making bluffing far more difficult.im definitly no expert but slotblooms book offers enough to help you avoid silly errors,maximise your hands and to use your position wisley. Ahrt Ac


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: tonge on March 09, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
I did'nt really find the Rolf book that useful, especially the first part where he's talking about a game in vienna.  All the magazine articles tend to just focus on starting hands.  Think i'll try CR's.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: Sweetman on March 10, 2009, 10:17:07 PM
Rolf Slotboom's book teaches excellent short stack strategy.

Jeff Hwang's book teaches deeper stacked strategy, and has exellent 8 or better (limit and PL versions)

Ive read both books numerous times and can highly recommend both.

Jeffs book really highlights the difference with all the different run-down hands and run down gap hands and how some dominate others.  I've learned so much from this book.


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: dousche on March 10, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
thanks for all the advice guys. i think im gonna buy the 2 books that seem to be recommended and i'll definitely be checking out the cardrunners vids too (already got a user and pw, ta). and take it easy on me if you catch me playing plo at dtd!


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: dousche on March 11, 2009, 12:00:40 AM
Get yourself on the low stakes cash tables asap.

Lose your buy in several times.

Post your questionable hands on PHA board on Blonde.

Get ripped to shreds by Flushy and Floppy.

Improve.

Win your money back.

You're welcome.

yeah, i plan on doing this but i cant bring myself to not open up the holdem tables once iv opened the lobby. i should really get cracking. iv played a couple of live sessions but not enough to have had that many interesting spots. i'll have to start cracking open the tables soon.

my housemate has got 'how good is your plo?' by stewart reuben and reckons its a good book, anyone read it? also, how good is the plo section of supersystem? i bought it a while ago having been told its great for holdem and found it worse than useless. is it any good for anything?

I think Stewart Reuben's book is ridiculously bad since it deals with his own personal experiences playing people he has played with for years instead and congratulates you when you play 'as good as him', also it deals with deep live cash and not 100BB's online so incredibly different. I've written a couple of things on PLO somewhere (albeit very basic) I'll see if I can dig them out.

oh yeah, and if you could find these that would be great floppy! thanks mate


Title: Re: learning PLO
Post by: WSOPaduki on March 21, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
Omaha is the future. Long live PLO

All we need is moneymaker to win the $10,000 PLO event at the WSOP and we'll be back in the good old days of the feeding frenzy.