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Title: Double your money? Post by: TightEnd on March 10, 2009, 02:47:48 PM $50 Double or nothing SNG. Stars
7 remain, 5 paid obv 1500 starting blinds 75-150 Hero 5/7 with 2100 Short stack UTG pushes for $950 6/7 in cut off pushes for $1150 Hero on button with Ac Qc other stacks 3500-2500. The SNG is rock tight, completely locked up in several spots Get involved here and try to knock both out or fold? Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TheChipPrince on March 10, 2009, 02:53:29 PM Fold, you have 16+ BB's, thats a lot in these, far better to push 72 unopened in late position with it being as tight as you describe.
A tough decision if only 1 pusher... Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: tikay on March 10, 2009, 02:55:32 PM FOLD! Don't be Calling in these DYM's, which are designed for Pushing & Shoving, not Calling. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TightEnd on March 10, 2009, 02:57:49 PM FOLD! Don't be Calling in these DYM's, which are designed for Pushing & Shoving, not Calling. I did fold, which I regard as the conventional play here Wondered if I could reshove and if lose the hand shove my remaining 1,000 into a tight field from then on. Possibly with some fold equity in that field If I win the hand the top 5 is locked up... Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TheChipPrince on March 10, 2009, 03:07:58 PM shove my remaining 1,000 into a tight field from then on Thats a fair point worth considering, but with the avergae stack being around 2.6/2.7, and you down to 1k your unlikely going to be able to survive without a double-up at some point... Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TightEnd on March 10, 2009, 03:09:43 PM true
sorry to be pedantic, but also one of 6/7 and 7/7 doubles through here leaving me 6/6 or 6/7 and needing to do something hence my question in OP as to whether to take a shot here Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: tikay on March 10, 2009, 03:16:50 PM true sorry to be pedantic, but also one of 6/7 and 7/7 doubles through here leaving me 6/6 or 6/7 and needing to do something hence my question in OP as to whether to take a shot here No, it's not the time to make a stand Rich, imo. Even if you are 6/7, or 7/7, & only have 4 or 5 x BB, I believe it's better to wait & shove with anything, rather than accept a 3 way flip with AQ. With the increase in popularity in these DYM things, for which there is, presumably, a pretty-much optimised playing style, (I play 6 handed, which I imagine play very different to 10 handed), I quite look forward to folks writing "Optimal DYM Strategy" type articles. There is no doubt that their popularity is well-founded. The reduced variance can be a wonderful confidence restorer to those struggling with high-variance MTT's. Which is, like, everybody..... Of course, there's no easy pot of gold at the end, it's pretty much a case of you get what you deserve. Just like life really. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TheChipPrince on March 10, 2009, 03:19:53 PM ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table. That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...
Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TightEnd on March 10, 2009, 03:21:31 PM I quite look forward to folks writing "Optimal DYM Strategy" type articles. So am I. I am playing a lot of them while bankroll stretched, and doing nicely (albeit slowly) I find the turbos see people make the most mistakes, and have my highest win rate, which is counter intuitive for me So I'm trying to develop strategies and get into the depths of which games to play, when etc Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: thetank on March 10, 2009, 03:23:45 PM insta-fold
Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: Longy on March 10, 2009, 03:32:38 PM insta-fold This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+. ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table. That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones... ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: tikay on March 10, 2009, 03:33:31 PM ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table. That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones... Not true, surprisingly. I play them. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: tikay on March 10, 2009, 03:37:29 PM insta-fold This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+. ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table. That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones... ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck. And you are precisely the sort of person who should write such an article. Get to work! And I agree - QQ MINIMUM here to call. ATC to shove. The whole things are about the Bubble, nothing else matters really. Sleep to the bubble, Premiums excepted, forget the fancy-dan footwork, & only start to pay attention Bubble-Time, with the default "shove with owt, only Call with Monsters" - & then, ONLY against the right(stacked) oppo. I find them curiously satisfying. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: Longy on March 10, 2009, 03:44:37 PM insta-fold This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+. ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table. That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones... ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck. And you are precisely the sort of person who should write such an article. Get to work! And I agree - QQ MINIMUM here to call. ATC to shove. The whole things are about the Bubble, nothing else matters really. Sleep to the bubble, Premiums excepted, forget the fancy-dan footwork, & only start to pay attention Bubble-Time, with the default "shove with owt, only Call with Monsters" - & then, ONLY against the right(stacked) oppo. I find them curiously satisfying. I actually would rather do anything i could to stop encouraging people to playing them. They are killing standard sng traffic online and in a weird way teaching fish to play tight early, both pretty bad things from point of view. You have pretty much summed up standard strategy above, while adding a few wrinkles in, like playing the game of who blinds out first on the bubble. Anyone really wanting to learn them should simply work out what 2+2 makes (thats a cryptic hint). Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: Jon MW on March 10, 2009, 03:48:40 PM If one of the players not involved in this hand had less than $1000 I'd call. Is this still wrong?
What if they had $1000 to $1500 also? Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: Indestructable on March 10, 2009, 05:31:19 PM I played a similar hand last night and called. Short stack had pocket jacks which held up. This dropped me down to 6th and I was out next hand, shoving with pocket nines and getting an instacall. Left me thinking why I couldn't make an easy fold just becasue the hand "looked pretty".
Countering this, there have been a few of these that I have coasted in 1st - 2nd place but ending up bubbling, leaving me regretting folded hands like Queen Ace. ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: dousche on March 12, 2009, 04:38:12 PM we have to pass here for the reasons mentioned previously. you just dont want to be calling. ever. calling even when you know you're ahead can still be wrong. pass and shove are your moves in these
Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: LLevan on March 12, 2009, 05:02:30 PM $50 Double or nothing SNG. Stars 7 remain, 5 paid obv 1500 starting blinds 75-150 Hero 5/7 with 2100 Short stack UTG pushes for $950 6/7 in cut off pushes for $1150 Hero on button with Ac Qc other stacks 3500-2500. The SNG is rock tight, completely locked up in several spots Get involved here and try to knock both out or fold? Please support the Blonde cardroom even if the rake is slightly higher allowing for loyalty bonus.................that is all. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: LLevan on March 12, 2009, 05:03:26 PM $50 Double or nothing SNG. Stars 7 remain, 5 paid obv 1500 starting blinds 75-150 Hero 5/7 with 2100 Short stack UTG pushes for $950 6/7 in cut off pushes for $1150 Hero on button with Ac Qc other stacks 3500-2500. The SNG is rock tight, completely locked up in several spots Get involved here and try to knock both out or fold? Please support the Blonde cardroom even if the rake is slightly higher allowing for loyalty bonus.................that is all. Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: TightEnd on March 12, 2009, 05:05:17 PM lol ty for the spam
if I ever get paid I will re-deposit! Title: Re: Double your money? Post by: vegaslover on March 17, 2009, 06:39:51 PM if I ever get paid I will re-deposit! ouch!!! Re post: it's an insta fold here. Play needs to be soooo much tighter in these than regular stts. |