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Title: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: byronkincaid on March 10, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/5231.aspx

So up to 1978 you were allowed to do 70mph in your crossply tyre shod, drum braked, non ABS or ESP, no airbags, lol crumple zoned, rusty heap of shit accident waiting to happen. So they dropped the limit to 60, and now that cars are a million times safer we will be forced by "average speed cameras, which monitor speeds over distances of up to six miles" to keep to 50mph.

If cars are safer, more economical and have lower emissions these days then surely they should be raising the speed limits? But I guess they would miss out on all those expensive speeding fines then wouldn't they :(





Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: cia260895 on March 10, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: TheChipPrince on March 10, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
People who drive as safely as possible do anyway, people who speed and take more risks will always do so, they'll still find somewhere to drive fast.  I imagine you'll get more irate drivers on the countrys roads looking to overtake cars sticking to the limits!


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: Dingdell on March 10, 2009, 03:11:45 PM
lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

+1


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: kinboshi on March 10, 2009, 03:12:41 PM
lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents... ::)


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: Dingdell on March 10, 2009, 03:14:16 PM
lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents... ::)

DONT START

Nothing wrong with tootling along, taking your time.


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: mondatoo on March 10, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Norrrrrrrrrrrrrrr not another one


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: rossfourfive on March 10, 2009, 03:16:24 PM
lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents... ::)

This.

Wankers. 50mph is ridic.

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“But when you compare that to the fact we are killing 3,000 people a year on our roads, it would be irresponsible not to do something about it. I’m sure that the vast majority of motorists would support the proposals.”

And how many of those 3000 are speed related Mr Fitzpatrick?


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: byronkincaid on March 10, 2009, 03:17:20 PM
a comment from an Autocar reporter:

A while back I compiled a list of the causes of accidents from the police figures for an Autocar analysis feature. The Police had attended around 250,000 accidents and had complied a list of the reasons for the accident. I my memory is right, 5 percent of all accidents included breaking the local speed limit as one of the causes. However, that rose to 12 percent of fatal accidents. In truth, the overwhelming cause of accidents was bad driving, particularly misjudging another car's speed and not looking properly. The Government has tried to bump up the figures to 25 percent of accidents caused by speeding, but typically they had spun the results by including the police judgement 'driving too fast for the conditions'. But that emphatically does not mean breaking the speed limit. I have argued this stuff on the forums of national newspapers and, in doing so, discovered an interesting statistic. Slightly more people are killed by MRSA and C Diff in British 'institutions' each year than are killed on the UK's roads. I'm afraid that a few thousand car-haters are deeply embedded in local councils and the middle layers of the government and Whitehall. Their philosophy is that 'speeding' should be regarded as anti-social behaviour in the same way as drunks fighting in the street are 'anti-social'. It's just that the bar for 'anti-social' motoring has to be lowered every so often to keep the conviction rates up. And one of the best ways to keep ordinary motorists on the brink of 'anti-social' behaviour is to keep lowering the speed limit. Coming soon...blanket 20mph zones in towns using the same camera technology.

petition here

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noNSLreduction/


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: ScottMGee on March 10, 2009, 03:23:10 PM
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Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents

I suppose technically it is.

If we all drove around at 4 mph (may 10 mph on a motorway) I doubt there would be any serious accidents.


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: thetank on March 10, 2009, 03:26:43 PM
Good time to buy stocks in train operators and plane companies that run domestic flights?


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: kinboshi on March 10, 2009, 03:31:41 PM
I've posted the stats on the other thread previously. 

An arbitrary speed limit doesn't prevent accidents involving serious or fatal injuries.  Excessive speed for the prevailing conditions is dangerous.  Otherwise, why are our motorways the safest roads in the UK (and in most of Europe)?



Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: kinboshi on March 10, 2009, 03:33:49 PM
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Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents

I suppose technically it is.

If we all drove around at 4 mph (may 10 mph on a motorway) I doubt there would be any serious accidents.

I think you find that rapid deceleration is usually involved in most accidents if we want to be pedantic.

 


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: Rod Paradise on March 10, 2009, 03:42:25 PM
Well thought through proposal to cut the speed limits on rural roads  ::)

So, the people who live in rural areas now get:

  • More expensive petrol
  • More expensive groceries
  • Worse services than the larger towns and cities
  • Far less facilities than the larger towns and cities.
  • Long trips to get to the larger towns or cities to take advantage of price/availablity/facilites.

And now, to top it off the few cops in the area will be out catching people going above 50, meaning fines or even longer journeys.

gg wp the Government.


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: henrik777 on March 10, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
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Yes, because speed is the cause of all road accidents

I suppose technically it is.

If we all drove around at 4 mph (may 10 mph on a motorway) I doubt there would be any serious accidents.

I think you find that rapid deceleration is usually involved in most accidents if we want to be pedantic.

 

Well if you pressed the accelerator it probably wouldn't be deemed an accident ...

Sandy


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: thetank on March 10, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Significant impact on journey times will affect people's lives, and could be a factor in ending them.

Famlily of 5 who live an hour and 40 minutes away from Grandma now live two hours and 20 miuntes away from Grandma.

Instead of just over 3 hours driving to go and visit her and back, you're now looking at nearly 5 hours.

Doing it in a day becomes unfeasable. End result, no-one goes to see Grandma anymore.

gg Grandma.


Young professionals who had long commute and little leisure time as it is, will now have even longer commutes and even less leisure time with their partners. High stress levels are a factor in premature death.
I can well imagine that the 50mph speed limit will inadvertently KILL more than it could ever hope to save. 



I live in Aberdeen, a little cut off from the rest of the country and about to become more cut off.

lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

I'm guessing you live in London.
I live 122 miles away from my daughter, I can't just go with it I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: kinboshi on March 10, 2009, 04:05:25 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/10/speed-limit-rural-roads


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: Grier78 on March 10, 2009, 07:54:49 PM
To be honest there is only one short stretch of road where I would go over 50mph on my daily commute not including the motorway and all the rural roads I know are too short/bendy to go over 50mph, so I don't care.


Title: Re: Government to cut the national speed limit to 50mph
Post by: cia260895 on March 10, 2009, 08:15:46 PM


lets just all go with it

 life will be so much easier and less stressful if we all just chill and talke a little more time and care to get there all in 1 piece,

I'm guessing you live in London.
I live 122 miles away from my daughter, I can't just go with it I'm afraid.

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correct but then 50mph down here would be like speeding