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Title: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: todd122 on March 11, 2009, 05:33:54 PM Hi folks, just a small question with a answer, this happen recently in our casino, game is pl roe 1 and 2, 3 people in hand sb with 250+ and bb with the same and the button with 46 left, flop comes up the checks the bb bets 28 the button moves all in for 46, now wat options does sb have can he still raise?
Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: Newmanseye on March 11, 2009, 05:39:27 PM Hi folks, just a small question with a answer, this happen recently in our casino, game is pl roe 1 and 2, 3 people in hand sb with 250+ and bb with the same and the button with 46 left, flop comes up the checks the bb bets 28 the button moves all in for 46, now wat options does sb have can he still raise? I am sure he can as the shove raise is more than half of the initial raise, so betting is allowed. Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: gatso on March 11, 2009, 07:07:32 PM I'm struggling to understand op, but assuming sb checked the flop then he still has all options open when the action returns to him
Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: Cf on March 12, 2009, 02:30:34 AM Assuming the SB had checked then he can do whatever he likes.
The BB may only call. The shove from the button is an underraise, so the BB cannot raise again. The half-raise rule applies only to FL, not PL/NL. Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: EvilPie on March 12, 2009, 06:25:07 PM Assuming the SB had checked then he can do whatever he likes. The BB may only call. The shove from the button is an underraise, so the BB cannot raise again. The half-raise rule applies only to FL, not PL/NL. You sure? Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: EvilPie on March 12, 2009, 06:27:22 PM SB has all his options open.
If SB flats BB can only flat. If SB raises it reopens the betting to the BB so he can reraise if he wishes. Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: Cf on March 12, 2009, 06:35:12 PM Assuming the SB had checked then he can do whatever he likes. The BB may only call. The shove from the button is an underraise, so the BB cannot raise again. The half-raise rule applies only to FL, not PL/NL. You sure? Yes :) 10. Raise Requirements If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. That's from TDA, RRs has similar but I'm quoting TDA for once lol Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: paulhouk03 on March 15, 2009, 10:05:10 AM SB has all his options open. If SB flats BB can only flat. If SB raises it reopens the betting to the BB so he can reraise if he wishes. This Sb can do what ever he wants BB can only call because the reraise is smaller than the initial raise from the BB of 28 Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: todd122 on March 30, 2009, 03:08:52 PM thank you all for the reply, thats wat the majority of us thought, the sb options were still open has he has not acted , only a small minority of 3 people in the club said he could only call the under raise by the short stack, thanks again
Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: Simon Galloway on March 30, 2009, 07:35:24 PM sb can definitely do what he likes. If he calls or folds, the bb can only call or fold, the underraise from the button is taken as a call for betting purposes. If the sb wants to raise, it must be to a minimum of 56, the smallest legal raise of the bbs bet. If he does this, this re-opens the betting and bb could raise again into the side pot.
There are regional variations on this, for example Luton still have a rule of double the last bet, which I am doing my best to change. E.g. 1/2 game someone opens for 7, the widely understodd min reraise is to 12 (your 2+5 and a further 5 from me..) but Luton would hold you to raise to 14 because "its always been done that way." Title: Re: raise or no raise wats the rule Post by: Girgy85 on April 02, 2009, 12:18:00 PM Assuming the SB had checked then he can do whatever he likes. The BB may only call. The shove from the button is an underraise, so the BB cannot raise again. The half-raise rule applies only to FL, not PL/NL. You sure? Yes :) 10. Raise Requirements If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. That's from TDA, RRs has similar but I'm quoting TDA for once lol WTF? Not quoting Roberts Rules? Are you feeling ok? |