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Title: Is this Justice? Post by: The Camel on March 13, 2009, 06:37:31 PM I am about as far away as a person could be from a Daily Mail reading, "lock 'em up and throw away the key" right wing zealot.
But, is this the most lenient sentence in the history of the British Justice system: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7927267.stm If I had just read the story and they had left out the details of the sentence I would have expected her to get about 15 years. Thoughts anyone? Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Graham C on March 13, 2009, 07:42:37 PM "When arrested at her home, customs officers found £1.2m of cash in a safe"
mbn. I wonder if I've got a fiver in my jeans somewhere :D Not sure what I think about this really. Prob not the best life move for her to have turned them in. There are worse crimes out there and I wouldn't think a prison sentence would have more impact. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: henrik777 on March 13, 2009, 07:45:51 PM I've seen a few stories of people convicted for helping drugs barons etc in this country and penalties are not severe for the rewards you can get.(not actually caught smuggling loads though) Fraud is the same.
Powers to seize assets gained from criminal funds are decent but i always think they'll still have enough salted away that siezure won't always be a big deal. If they took those 142 properties it might hurt a bit though. I wouldn't have expected 15 years to be honest but i would agree that might be more of a deterrent. Sandy Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Graham C on March 13, 2009, 07:46:57 PM She didn't deal drugs though, she sold boats to people that did.
and laundered money and looked after some things for them from time to time. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Grier78 on March 13, 2009, 08:03:38 PM Compared to three years for thowring a shoe it does seem a bit lenient.
Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: The Camel on March 13, 2009, 08:08:37 PM "When arrested at her home, customs officers found £1.2m of cash in a safe" mbn. I wonder if I've got a fiver in my jeans somewhere :D Not sure what I think about this really. Prob not the best life move for her to have turned them in. There are worse crimes out there and I wouldn't think a prison sentence would have more impact. This a perfect "deterrent" case imo.. Someone sees her sentence and thinks, if that's all she gets for that crime.. it's worth doing. Risk/reward etc etc Putting away drug addicts who deal to fund their own habits is virtually no deterrent.. totally different to this crime. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Graham C on March 13, 2009, 08:20:44 PM I'm not really sure what there is to deter people from here. It's not like you can apply for the job of supplying to dealers, I guess they find you. Not all of her money would have come from that anyway. I guess it is a bit of a let off.
Just read again, sounds like she knew she was in the shit and co-operated a bit. Husband buggered off, pleaded guilty, sounds like she was behaved when the time was right. Perhaps she's putting the dealers down, now that would be a good thing and worth a let off. In this situation, it was worth the risk. I expect if some drug dealers want to buy lots of expensive trophies, I'd probably supply them! Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Grier78 on March 13, 2009, 08:31:22 PM I'm not really sure what there is to deter people from here. It's not like you can apply for the job of supplying to dealers, I guess they find you. Not all of her money would have come from that anyway. I guess it is a bit of a let off. In this situation, it was worth the risk. I expect if some drug dealers want to buy lots of expensive trophies, I'd probably supply them! Can I order 50 trophies please, engraved with the following: "Dealer of the month" "Laundry champion" "Driver of the year" "Best mule" "No1 Grower" "Heaviest heavy" "Worlds best boss" Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Graham C on March 13, 2009, 08:33:36 PM "Worlds best boss" LOL, we've done a couple of these before :D Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: thetank on March 13, 2009, 09:27:09 PM I remember the girl who used to deal me marijuana (when I was 18 and into such things.)
You'd phone her up any time, 24 hours a day, and she'd drive to your door with some pretty good shit quicker than if you'd ordered a pizza. I woulda bought her a trophy. Superstar dealer she was. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Graham C on March 13, 2009, 09:27:52 PM Never too late Tank :D
Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: thetank on March 13, 2009, 09:29:30 PM Big bronze hash leaf on a plynth plz. I'll be round for it in the morning.
Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Indestructable on March 13, 2009, 09:31:47 PM I give up on sentences dished out these days, complete joke. ;grr;
Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: boldie on March 13, 2009, 10:24:26 PM "When arrested at her home, customs officers found £1.2m of cash in a safe" mbn. I wonder if I've got a fiver in my jeans somewhere :D Not sure what I think about this really. Prob not the best life move for her to have turned them in. There are worse crimes out there and I wouldn't think a prison sentence would have more impact. This a perfect "deterrent" case imo.. Someone sees her sentence and thinks, if that's all she gets for that crime.. it's worth doing. Risk/reward etc etc Putting away drug addicts who deal to fund their own habits is virtually no deterrent.. totally different to this crime. this. I'm a liberal by most people's standards but this is just a ridiculous sentence. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: thetank on March 13, 2009, 10:46:33 PM Re. the story
How does stuffing all your dosh into a mattress in the spare room constitute money laundering? Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: cia260895 on March 13, 2009, 11:11:00 PM FFS do they not know there is a recession on
Another 1 for the dole queue Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: paulhouk03 on March 13, 2009, 11:27:21 PM I am about as far away as a person could be from a Daily Mail reading, "lock 'em up and throw away the key" right wing zealot. But, is this the most lenient sentence in the history of the British Justice system: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7927267.stm If I had just read the story and they had left out the details of the sentence I would have expected her to get about 15 years. Thoughts anyone? hmmmmm seems pretty good deal for her sell boats buy 142 properties have 1.2 mill cash and deny that you knew u was selling to drug dealers and i am not good at accounting is pretty funny. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: ScottMGee on March 14, 2009, 12:16:54 AM Amazing sentence - £20m vs 2 years suspended sentence!
If I was younger without family I would be very tempted to get into this business. Even if the confiscate all your assets, imagine the lifestyle you could have led until you were caught. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: AndrewT on March 14, 2009, 12:21:22 AM Er, didn't she just plead guilty to tax evasion?
Forget all the drug boat stuff, they bought some houses, rented them out and then didn't tell the taxman. This was after they took nearly £1.5m off her. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: Robert HM on March 14, 2009, 12:37:07 AM Sh1t. I wrote a post and lost it in the ether. It's possibly on the wrong thread somewhere. Roughly it went like this.
I don't like to form an opinion based on a flimsy news report. There is so much information missing, such as: What were the actual charges? Was she an active participant? Was she led? Did she facilitate the offence? What help did she give the investigators when arrested, or even before? Did she fully understand what was happening? Did she have full knowledge? Was her offence committed by turning a blind eye? Any pressure from spouse? Was she left in lumber to face the music? So much more info required to even start to form an opinion. So until that info is available I can't say that the sentence is anything other than spot on. So I will refrain from jumping on this particular bandwagon. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: thetank on March 14, 2009, 01:00:20 AM Sh1t. I wrote a post and lost it in the ether. It's possibly on the wrong thread somewhere. Roughly it went like this. I don't like to form an opinion based on a flimsy news report. There is so much information missing, such as: What were the actual charges? Was she an active participant? Was she led? Did she facilitate the offence? What help did she give the investigators when arrested, or even before? Did she fully understand what was happening? Did she have full knowledge? Was her offence committed by turning a blind eye? Any pressure from spouse? Was she left in lumber to face the music? So much more info required to even start to form an opinion. So until that info is available I can't say that the sentence is anything other than spot on. So I will refrain from jumping on this particular bandwagon. She looks pretty shifty in the picture like. Hope this helps Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: The Camel on March 14, 2009, 01:03:04 AM Sh1t. I wrote a post and lost it in the ether. It's possibly on the wrong thread somewhere. Roughly it went like this. I don't like to form an opinion based on a flimsy news report. There is so much information missing, such as: What were the actual charges? Was she an active participant? Was she led? Did she facilitate the offence? What help did she give the investigators when arrested, or even before? Did she fully understand what was happening? Did she have full knowledge? Was her offence committed by turning a blind eye? Any pressure from spouse? Was she left in lumber to face the music? So much more info required to even start to form an opinion. So until that info is available I can't say that the sentence is anything other than spot on. So I will refrain from jumping on this particular bandwagon. Robert is right. As usual. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: cia260895 on March 14, 2009, 01:03:30 AM Sh1t. I wrote a post and lost it in the ether. It's possibly on the wrong thread somewhere. Roughly it went like this. I don't like to form an opinion based on a flimsy news report. There is so much information missing, such as: What were the actual charges? Was she an active participant? Was she led? Did she facilitate the offence? What help did she give the investigators when arrested, or even before? Did she fully understand what was happening? Did she have full knowledge? Was her offence committed by turning a blind eye? Any pressure from spouse? Was she left in lumber to face the music? So much more info required to even start to form an opinion. So until that info is available I can't say that the sentence is anything other than spot on. So I will refrain from jumping on this particular bandwagon. She looks pretty shifty in the picture like. Hope this helps must be guilty then no smoke with out fire and all that Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: boldie on March 14, 2009, 10:26:32 AM Sh1t. I wrote a post and lost it in the ether. It's possibly on the wrong thread somewhere. Roughly it went like this. I don't like to form an opinion based on a flimsy news report. There is so much information missing, such as: What were the actual charges? Was she an active participant? Was she led? Did she facilitate the offence? What help did she give the investigators when arrested, or even before? Did she fully understand what was happening? Did she have full knowledge? Was her offence committed by turning a blind eye? Any pressure from spouse? Was she left in lumber to face the music? So much more info required to even start to form an opinion. So until that info is available I can't say that the sentence is anything other than spot on. So I will refrain from jumping on this particular bandwagon. sigh...if you can't base your opinion on a flimsy news report what can you base your opinion on? And Tank is right...she looks shifty...so must be guilty. Title: Re: Is this Justice? Post by: relaedgc on March 16, 2009, 09:00:27 AM She could have sung like a bird to Customs about her "clientèle" for all we know. I am sure there's more going on below the surface than we're privy to.
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