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Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, has approved a change to the points systems for this year’s drivers’ championship, which will see the title awarded to the driver with the most race wins. The rest of the standings, from second to last place, will be decided by the current points system.

If two or more drivers finish the season with the same number of wins, the title will be awarded to the driver with the most points, the allocation of points being based on

good or bad idea??

Bad.

Championship should go to the driver who shows the greatest consistency IMO.

Finally! Wiiiiiiii

This has been needed for a while, no more limping around in 2nd and 3rd just go for it!

a driver wins 6 races and then doesn't finish in the points in any other race when another driver finishes on the podium in all of his races and ends up with nothing will cause huge controversy

http://www.formula1.com/ (http://www.formula1.com/)

this.

Now all they need is to introduce a "bump 'em out the way" rule..and we're on!

I think they should have some oncoming traffic.

That would make the most boring sport on earth worth watching.

Excellent idea!

So a driver who wins wins the championship, a driver who always loses doesn't win.....yeah can see why that would be silly.....

meh, don't like it. makes it almost certain that the championship won't go to the wire. may well be all over 3 weeks out. maybe making the points more topheavy would be better and still encourage peeps to go ftw

i didn't say it was silly

Don't really like it, although it might make for some exciting races as it means drivers have to go for the win rather than taking second or third place points.

Also it means that drivers are rewarded less for saving their engines, when you get a new engine you might as well just turn it right up and go all out for the win rather than good consistent results, and if you have got no chance of getting it then just drive out of the race and save the engine for the next race. Saying that there is still the WCC so perhaps this is not going to happen.

Anybody think this gives an advantage to the Brawn team? They have been the stars of testing and if they get a good start to the season that gives them an advantage. Anybody tempted with the 10/1 that Betfair are offering on Button? Who do people fancy for the first race?

When this was first mooted I was against it, but the more I think about it, the more I reckon it can only be good for the overall spectacle.

Having the old points structure in the background as a backup means it could just work. I always hate it when a driver cruises to the title through consistency rather than outright success. It just doesn't seem right. Sport is about winning and we should be lauding winners, not plodders.

I expect the racing to improve thanks to this innovation.

I was also really against the final table delay at the wsop main event, and whilst not perfect, I have come around to that too. So I think we should give this a chance.

The FIA has announced that from 2010, teams will be allowed more technical freedom if they agree to a cost cap of $30million, to cover ‘expenditure of any kind’. Teams will also be free to instead continue running under the existing rules, which are to remain stable until 2012.

The teams that accept the cost cap will be granted technical freedoms in three main areas: a more aerodynamically efficient (but standard) under body; movable wings; and an engine which is not subject to a rev limit or a development freeze.

To ensure that the cost-capped cars have neither an advantage nor a disadvantage when compared to cars running to the existing rules, the FIA will retain the right to adjust elements of these freedoms.

The FIA says the move provides, in essence, a choice between (i) the current freedom to spend and continued adherence to the existing technical constraints and (ii) a new degree of freedom to innovate technically but with a severely restricted budget.

According to the FIA, the aim is to make it easier for new teams to enter and also allow existing teams to participate on much reduced budgets should they so choose.

how many teams will take this option next year?

Why not just give winners 15 points?  Very strange way of doing it imo, but then again I find F1 dull anyway.

and what for 2,3,4,5,6,7,8?

+1

same as it is now.  reward the winners without having to have a two-tier scoring system.

so with this system in place what would have been final standings last year?

Different, but then again the drivers may have raced differently. 

qft

Formula One on TV is boring for three reasons:

1) It's soporific nature; there are no natural breaks and for spells of time it can appear as if you are watching the same thing over and over

2) The racing is usually crap

3) The races are too long

..and I speak as someone who came from a racing background and loved it whilst growing up..

But this new wins over points system and the reintroduction of slicks and skinnier rear wings will improve the show, as will the new 'hawkeye' TV coverage to be used this year.

The thing you can never beat however is seeing the cars 'in the flesh', or rather hearing them. Even the F1 haters, who only come at it from a TV perspective, would find it a whole new ballgame once they see, feel and hear the awesome spectacle of an F1 car in full flow.

One of the most awesome jolts I have ever had in my life was whilst I was testing (Formula Renault) in the early 90s at Snetterton. I was tanking down the back straight, when an F3000 car (one step down from F1 at the time) exploded past me in a blur of colour, vibration and dynamite noise. I literally jumped in my seat at the shock of it. It was gone from my sight in a matter of seconds. It left a real impression on me and this wasn't even an F1 car. It was driven by a Frenchman called Jerome Policand. I know not what happened to him either.

So, I reckon F1 is boring to watch on the tube, but I defy anyone to call it boring when immersed in the reality of it.

There, rant over..

he came 5th in last years Le Mans 24h race

FYP

This is not Sheep ffs, I never denied it!

seconded .........

you'd think people could wait 23 hours...

''Red Bull's Mark Webber says drivers will be keener to win under F1's new points system''

Well f*ck me, who'd have thought that...

No thx

We haven't met, surely you can't rule it based on the fact I like fry-ups?!

I've always rated that Webber fella and now I know why.

What a great insight in to F1 strategy he really has.

Shame he hasn't got the car or talent to be anything other than "keen" to win.

sure i can Now if you were Dewi no probs....

We can now expect an invasion of Aussies telling us that Webber would have been 5 times world champ if he had a decent car,at least that is what happens on every motorsport forum I belong to if his name is mentioned.

Bye bye new scoring system...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7955790.stm

The farce of it all;

"FOTA says points change is not valid"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73809

"FIA set to postpone new points system"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73810

Glad to see that the FIA still knows it's own rules!

[   ] surprised at the change

[ x ] flushy will be pissed

Someone who knows more about F1 than me please tell me Jensen Button isn't going to win on sunday?

If the scrutineers don't throw out the car it is a distinct possibility he could win.
If the car is thrown out it will run under protest anyway so still a possibility.

toyota and williams also have a modified diffuser so cant see all of them being kicked out,only BMW Sauber, Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault - have objected, questioning the legality of the designs.

Mclaren must be happy  with thier car

Hamilton FTW

Unfortunately like Dino says it is a distinct possibility.

Also unfortunate is the fact that everybody now knows so the value has gone.

Pre testing you could've got maybe 500/1 against him winning the championship. Now don't get me wrong it's still highly unlikely but he's since dropped to like 10's which is fuckin ridic.

Ferrari, Renault and Red Bull protested the Brawn,Toyota and Williams,the protest was rejected by the stewards.

The teams have confirmed they will appeal against the stewards' decision, which will force the matter to go to a hearing of the FIA's International Court of Appeal.

Such a meeting cannot take place until after the Malaysian Grand Prix, meaning that Brawn GP, Williams and Toyota will be racing under appeal at this weekend's race in Australia and would likely be subject to another appeal at Sepang.

Great start to a new season.

For anyone who hasn't noticed, BBC are showing classic Grand Prix on BBC1 red button, All the practice sessions will also be shown on red button.

Driving is not the same without red shells and lightning bolts.

haha

hehehehe

Thanks for the tip about the BBC Red Button, might have to go watch some of the classics.

All aboard the Jenson bandwagon!

Chuffed for him and hopefully the other teams appeals aren't successful and he has a shot at the title this year.

[ ] Ship the 11/4 on Kubica to finish on the podium

VWD Brawn..same for Hamilton..4th is not bad at all in his car.

He's been bumped up to 3rd now

What was the appeal for?  None of the news reports are mentioning it?  Who was relegated for Hamilton to move up?

Trulli got a 25 second penalty for over taking while safety car was out

Hmmm, Vettel gets a 10 place grid penalty in the next race for the contact with Kubica,Barrichello gets no penalty for mistakenly thinking he is driving a stock car.

Trulli went off the track during the pace car period,was passed by Hamilton,and then went back past again,surely just put him back behind Hamilton not take him out the points completely.

The F1 stewards farce continues

Wp Button

What an unbeleivable dream come true for Brawn-Mercedes,and for Mr golden bollox Branson,

Mclaren/hamilton must be grinning from ear to ear as well,

This is definetly going to be a topsy turvy season

vettell/kubica gotta larf

Appealed the stewards decision on Thursday that Brawn, Toyota and other cars were legal. Something on them other teams think are illegal. Won't change the result of this race but it might slow his car down if he's made to change it later.

nah, good decision by the stewards imo (for a change)

trulli was 4th, knew the pace car was out and still tried to sneak up a place. if the only penalty is to put him back in 4th people will be trying to overtake all the time under the pace car safe in the knowledge that the only punishment will be to put them back where they just came from, there's no incentive to stick to the rules

Excellent nice to see a character at the top, what the sport needs!

why do we think Vettel was pinged a penalty and not Kubica?

looked like a 50-50% blame thing to me

p.s great race, rule changes look encouraging for the sport as a spectacle

I'm guessing it was because he stayed out for 2 laps with a wheel hanging off his car, which is definitely against regulations. Brundle and Legard kept going on about it so I'm assuming that was why.

can't see any way that vettel's pen is just for the crash. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7970504.stm

I've watched it about 10 times and can't see beyond it being 50/50

ok, I obviously know nothing. vettel's accepted the blame and apologised

+1.

A thought I've just had.

Even with all the technical regulation changes in F1 since, say, the early 1990's, you could say the battles have been simple. Benetton vs Williams from 1992-1997ish, then McLaren vs Ferrari from then on (with Renault making it a triumverate in 2005 + 2006).

Now, from today, it appears that the 2 fastest teams are Brawn and Red Bull with BMW and Ferrari close behind.

What's the factors? Simple. Ross Brawn vs Adrian Newey. Brawn was at Benetton then followed Schumacher to Ferrari. Newey was at Williams then moved to McLaren from 1997 onwards. Now Brawn runs his team and Newey designed the Red Bull car! So even with all the technical changes - the title battles haven't really changed. Brawn's team vs Newey's team. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Red Bull and Brawn battle for the Constructors Championship this year.

It's the reason I don't rate Schumacher particularly highly. I think Brawn is the brains and talent behind his success.

Interesting article



Brawn GP could have won even more emphatically on its debut in Australia had it wanted to, a team insider has claimed.

Jenson Button led home Rubens Barrichello in a remarkable 1-2 for the reborn team, which in its previous incarnation of Honda was a tail-end straggler throughout 2007 and 2008.

Button pulled out a four-second lead on the opening lap, but thereafter Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel pegged the margin and the Briton almost lost the lead with a tardy final pit stop.

However, a ‘senior source’ within Brawn GP has told the Guardian the team chose not to show its full hand and had speed in reserve.

“I think, basically, that if someone is two-tenths off us they can feasibly win the race but, if we’re half a second in front, which is probably where we are at the moment, although we don’t necessarily look like that, it is just foolish to just annihilate people all the time,” he said.

“I think we have a little bit in the bag.

“We’ve got good stuff coming and I think we have reason to be confident.”

Brawn is one of three teams at the centre of controversy over its rear diffuser design, which rivals believe unfairly confers a big performance advantage.

But the team source suggested the BGP001’s superiority could not be explained by a single facet.

“The visual bits are not really the performance drivers; it’s all the surfaces you can’t see that give you the real performance,” he said.

“One of the good things about the Brawn car is that competitors will look at all of it and say, ‘That’s the bit that’s making it fast.’

“But it is not necessarily one thing; they could be focusing on something that is not really a big performance driver.”

Honda’s withdrawal meant the team had to hastily adapt its original car to accommodate a Mercedes engine and did not begin track testing until a rescue deal was completed in March.

But having decided to write off the 2008 season, the design group had nailed down the car concept several months earlier than any other team.

The Guardian’s source said the Brackley-based squad had realised its car’s potential early in the winter.

“We were looking at everybody else’s times asking why were they all so slow,” he said.

“Our research was telling us we would be the quickest car.”

He also dismissed the notion that Brawn would be left behind by the established top teams later in the season.

“We’ve still got a lot in the bag,” he said.

“The other teams will come back at us very hard over the season, but, long-term, Brawn will be a force in the top three – certainly while these regulations are stable and the budget cap remains.”

was surprised to see Raikkonen,massa and hamilton  quoted @ 6-1 so soon though,

Hamilton now disqualified, F1 is really becoming the sporting equivalent of Newcastle utd...

One way to cut down on the costs of F1 is to simply get rid of the cars and the racing, and simply hold some sort of lottery to decide the results.

Oh, it appears that's what they're doing.

farcical just farcical and shambolic

Bernie for the next QM of RSG??

http://www.sportinglife.com/formula1/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=formula1/09/04/03/AUTO_McLaren_2nd_Lead.html

he very quickly shifted the blame here "I was misled", "He told me to withold info".. etc.

yuck

This week will be interesting with the appeal being heard on the rear diffuser issue.
If the appeal is upheld and Brawn are disqualified from the first 2 races then F1 will become the biggest farce since Tighty's Reverse sheep quiz.
I am not saying this because Button is British. Too much of F1 is decided in appeal rooms as it is and to penalise team Brawn (thanks Honda) for some outstanding design and technology would be way beyond a joke. I am sad to say though, that it would not suprise me 1 bit

loved today's race even without the rain. so much overtaking, some real battles out on the track. the sport is finally starting to look competitive again

Wonder how many drivers positions are changed during the week the sport is a joke imo ain't going to waste my time watching it,such a shame they're such muppets upstairs

Good job the BTTC doesn't use the same stewards,they would have disqualified the entire field.

how many poor decisions have been made by the stewards this season? none that I'm aware of

Do you really think Vettels penalty was justified .
 I don't care about the rights or wrongs of what Hamilton did,Trulli should have been penalised for going 20 yds off track under a yellow period,what if marshals had been working in that area.

as I said earlier on the thread when I saw the incident I couldn't see the problem but he immediately apologised and accepted he was at fault so, yes

What's the point in sitting for 2hrs watching a race for the stewards to then change the final results 3/4 days later it's a shambles it happened so many times last year,people ask for changes in football but if it was anything like this it would ruin the sport

Brawn's car is ruled legal.

Good.

Mine too, it passed it's MOT first time.

God help me, I lol'ed

I caught about 10 minutes of todays race and the weather looked as if it would have been an awesome race as long as there was no safety car.  How did it turn out?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/default.stm

I love racing in the rain but prefer it when it comes and goes so you get drivers out on different tyres. only 1 driver was off of full wets at any point today so it was more of a procession with the odd spin thrown in. still enjoyed it though and the redbull 1-2 is great for the sport

Really getting into this season. Good to see button going well.

I think the BBC are nailing the coverage and the lack of breaks is a bonus. The only issue I have is the commentator. He seems slow to pick things up that he should. Brundle tries to steer him through, but he's not quite there for me.

Let's go Jenson!

it's the jesse may style of commentating. one of the pair acts like they don't know what they're talking about, the other one explains the basics. it's a way of getting simple points across to the lay viewer without the more experienced viewer thinking it's all been dumbed down. maybe the double act needs a bit of fine tuning though

Whoever they use it just isnt Murray somethings just cant be improved on

It is so pleasing to see button in a car that can deliver at last especially after he had stuck with Honda when they were trying to develope thier pony.

[ ] honda are well pleased

[ x ] branson/brawn must be larfing their bollox off

and just to confirm his legendry status:

"He's obviously gone in for a wheel change. I say obviously because I can't see it"

"With half the race gone, there is half the race still to go"

"Do my eyes deceive me, or is Senna's Lotus sounding rough ?"

"Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does"

"Alboreto has dropped back up to fifth place"

"As you look at the first four, the significant thing is that Alboreto is 5th"

"I can't imagine what kind of problem Senna has. I imagine it must be some sort of grip problem"

"He is shedding buckets of adrenalin in that car"

"It's raining and the track is wet"

"And there's just a few more corners for Nigel Mansell to go to win the Canadian Grand Prix...and...he's going rather slow....HE'S STOPPING HE'S STOPPING!"

"and this is the third placed car about to lap the second placed car"

"they say clothes maketh the man... the clothes are Niki Lauda's, but the contents are me..." as Murray prepares to take a drive in a F1 car." [He gets a total distance of... oh, 1 foot before he stalls it.] (Apparently, this was the second attempt to film Murray in an F1 McLaren - the first, earlier that day, had gone very well, but for technical reasons couldn't be used!)

[During a F1 race, describing how the leader can see the driver following him] "... Mansell can see him in his earphone..."

"So Bernie [Ecclestone], in the seventeen years since you bought McLaren, which of your many achievements do you think was the most memorable ?" Bernie Answers, "Well I don't remember buying McLaren." [Bernie Ecclestone used to own the Brabham team].

Murrary: "What's that? There's a BODY on the track!!!" James: "Um, I think that that is a piece of BODY-WORK, from someone's car."

Murray: There's a fiery glow coming from the back of the Ferrari James: No Murray, that's his rear safety light

As an introductory piece for a rallysprint race, Murray was put in the Navigator's seat alongside Tony Pond in a Chevette HSR (270 BHP, rwd, and TWITCHY), added an in-car camera, and wired Murray for sound. The result can be deduced by extrapolating his usual excitement and enthusiasm, and adding a large pinch of raw terror! "And there's a 600 foot drop on my left..AND we're doing 120 mph... AND we're approaching a hairpin...OH MY GOD we're going to die..."

[after a post race interview with Mansell after the Austrian GP 1987] Murray : "How did you get that nasty bumb on your head Nigel?" [Nigel leans forward to show the camera as Murray pokes it with his finger !] Nigel: "OWCH!!"

Murray: And look at the flames coming from the back of Berger's McLaren
James: Actually, Murray, they're not flames, it's the safety light.

Murray, commentating on rallycross from Lydden, describes how a BMW driver has cut holes in his windscreen so that his visibility is improved in all the muck... as he is doing so, the car crashes heavily into an earth bank...

From the Spanish GP 1995: "and Eddie Jordan is in fifth place"... (actually Eddie Irvine in one of his compatriot Eddie Jordan's cars).

"...and he's lost both right front tyres" (which may have been accurate back in the days of the Tyrrell P34, but it was from 1995!)

I thought itv got the commentary part better. I don't think it's dumming down, I'm not thinking about technical stuff, just spotting which drivers are where!

Rob Smedley lost a bit more today as well.

the sport is becoming a bigger farce than a newmanseye quiz

so now next year there could be 2 levels of championship competing in the same races and no ferrari

great

The sport was already a bigger farce, haven't watched a race this season and i don't miss it,i expect the mugs that run f1 will probably buy us. gg /life

Ferarri,Toyota,Renault,Red Bull/Torro Rosso,have all said they will not race in a 2 tier championship, gg FIA.