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£1/2 live cash nine handed at the Vic

Villain playing £300 v aggro. Bets and raises a lot. Rarely lets his cut-off button pass without raising

Hero £250. er, a different image

Three limpers (standard) and Villain makes it £18 to go on the button

Hero looks down at  9s 9d in the big blind


Your course of action is?

Call and set mine. also watch out for an early limp r/r coz with a larcenous c/o in play, people can rely on getting their r/r in.

make it £40.

more please Alex.

Why an almost min rr?

If the raiser shoves what do you do?

Raise to £60

Call and set mine for me.  You say the villain is agro, is that post flop as well as pre?

puts max pressure on pre and post

Anyway I decided to call


We're heads up to the flop

 2h 4s 8s

I check and he bets £60 into the £43 pot.

Do you agree with the check?

and what now?

Raise to £46 - £49 there abouts, with your image I would be firing at any flop regardless fo the paint on board.  If he re reraises pre  we can let this go tbh

if he calls the reraise i am pumping £70 - £80 in on the flop.

i would be making it £150 here with a firm hand ready to pop the rest in.

the thing about these live hands that get posted is that the pre flop raises are so huge that it's like playing an online 3 bet pot. as a general rule you don't fold overpairs in 3 bet pots, especially not to a villain like this. I think with your stack size and his overbet you just want to push now.

I pumping it to around £55 pre.  On that board, to lead out for so much stinks of overcard KTs+, ATo+ QJ+ so. If my read is correct I am quite happy to pumpt it in here and take whats in the pot rather play another street or 2 OOP.  If an overcard comes on the turn thats within opponents range are we checking to fold to a bet?

Yeah I like a raise to £55 preflop...I don't mind the call though

As played, I like a check raise. I don't really mind what you raise to from £120+, as long as you're happy to get it in.

hmm, I would call and set mine, and probably lead if i flopped a set because by doing so u dont squeeze the aggro pfr on the flop.

You could raise, but i would only do this if you feel he is bad enough to felt any pair and ace rags etc

Now £230 stacks?

Now i think you have to get it in presuming he is legitamately v aggro/spew.

I wouldnt shove, but wud make it £150 on flop. This is because fish dont like to get it all in with ace high, but will call almost all in with ace high to try and hit their hand (then if they do hit they can justify it saying they got it all in when ahead). Its a phsycological thing i guess....

Not that u shud listen to my advice tho :P

Well someone who's crushed online poker cash games like you have your advice is probably decent :)

I'd call as well pre and now be happy to put a big raise in and try to get all his chips involved.

get 'em in. he makes it 18 and c-bets so much wider than TT+. i like a small committing raise like 130, hoping he flats with 2 overs then shrugs and calls for the extra 100 on the turn. actually, maybe 140 sounds better. anyways, im losing track - get the chips in as best you can

Preflop - call

two reasons:
1) Even agressive players sometimes get hands
2) The early limpers would be a concern

Post Flop - lead out
....here's why:
By check/raisng you are not asking a question of the limpers until it's too late....you may find yourself over committed  ie You and limpers check, button C-bets, and regardless of whether you raise or call - one of the limpers may re-raise and you have no idea what they are doing it with....it could be a raise to protect A8.

By leading out - you are asking the limpers how much they like their hand - the difference being is that you will have a much better idea of where you are in the hand and will have donated less money to the pot.

Check raising in this spot should only be attempted when you are heads up and if it is 3-way then only when the agressor is the very next person to act after you....thus you get to see the other person's play before it's your turn to act. (preferably not 3-way though)

Of course, if you've got a lock on the hand then it's different.

Mark

As it happens I c/raised to £150

He shoved

I was committed

He shows  Aspades Js. From then on its with the Poker Gods!

One of the points that had me thinking, afterwards, was whether it was right to be inflating the pot pre/post flop against an aggro player and how one should attempt to play small ball/pot control (or even should I?) with good but possibly marginal/flippy type hands against these lairy types.

All advice welcome

Perfect result then!


Your hand is unlikely to improve, and you're ahead of his range the majority of the time, so look to get it in.

"Perfect result then!"

It is? flipping minus a couple of percent edge for me for 300x bb or so?

 you have 125 BBs. that's a shortstack live isn't it?

Perfect result then!


We're behind!!!!!!!!

Well with the overlay in the pot pre, it is not an awful result, better than folding if you turn the hands over. I would agree perfect is pushing it.

you're right 125x bb for me. Still a lot of bb to be in with 99, as  a slight dog, for. 

Sorry, didn't notice the suits.

Still the right decision though.

isolate the aggressive late position raise with almost certainly the best hand and get this HU, save money when early position shoves (and you fold). Your hand is very strong, but you will be set mining with nines if you let the others see the flop too.


:- just read rest of thread, i always think with hands like this look at the global scheme of things. You simply dont get your money in as a huge favourite that often in nlh, not nearly as often as you would like, but obviously w the dead money (as longy pointed out) its still a very good proposition to be flipping with overlay. Also, because of the tiny amount of hands you get in live, its not really ever gonna be a true test of skill, so you might aswell take every single tiny edge you can (wheras you might dodge this spot online playing a supersoft table) as you will rarely/never reach the appropriate sample size for it to be worth playing absolutely optimally.