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Title: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 04, 2009, 01:20:19 AM
Got a problem with my overflow.  There's a bit of a trickle coming out of the over flow pipe so I went to the loft and checked them out.   The main one is fine, I made a small adjustment to the ball thingy and it's ok now.  There's also a smaller one which the main one feeds into.  This one is the one that's overflowing.  The feed from the main to this box is fine, well it runs slightly and it's all rusted up so the ball on the arm thing needs replacing, but it's only a trickle.   Also going into this tank is a pipe that I assume comes from the hot water tank as this is where the main problem is coming from.  The waters hot (that's why I assume it's from the water tank) and when the hot water is turned on on the boiler (to get some hot water sorted) the pipe is in full flow but it doesn't stop.

Is this going to be solved when I replace the faulty ball on arm thingy do you know?   If not, how do I get it to stop when the tank is full of hot water - should the tank have hot water in it anyway?   Do I need a plumber or can I do it?  I can change the ball over myself.

Thanks


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on April 04, 2009, 11:53:49 AM
AndrewT will be on later, he is good with plumbing issues.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Laxie on April 04, 2009, 11:57:07 AM
AndrewT will be on later, he is good with plumbing issues.

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Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: tikay on April 04, 2009, 12:00:12 PM
Got a problem with my overflow.  There's a bit of a trickle coming out of the over flow pipe so I went to the loft and checked them out.   The main one is fine, I made a small adjustment to the ball thingy and it's ok now.  There's also a smaller one which the main one feeds into.  This one is the one that's overflowing.  The feed from the main to this box is fine, well it runs slightly and it's all rusted up so the ball on the arm thing needs replacing, but it's only a trickle.   Also going into this tank is a pipe that I assume comes from the hot water tank as this is where the main problem is coming from.  The waters hot (that's why I assume it's from the water tank) and when the hot water is turned on on the boiler (to get some hot water sorted) the pipe is in full flow but it doesn't stop.

Is this going to be solved when I replace the faulty ball on arm thingy do you know?   If not, how do I get it to stop when the tank is full of hot water - should the tank have hot water in it anyway?   Do I need a plumber or can I do it?  I can change the ball over myself.

Thanks

Hpw tall are you?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: boldie on April 04, 2009, 02:02:22 PM
AndrewT will be on later, he is good with plumbing issues.

He's better than that CIA fella anyways. ;)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 04, 2009, 03:17:49 PM
AndrewT will be on later, he is good with plumbing issues.

He's better than that CIA fella anyways. ;)

I'll let him tell silo whats wrong then.......


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: boldie on April 04, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
AndrewT will be on later, he is good with plumbing issues.

He's better than that CIA fella anyways. ;)

I'll let him tell silo whats wrong then.......

come on...you know you want to :)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 04, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
If your  in the loft you might as well change both ball valves at the same time as it sounds if the diaphragm is begining to wear and its just easier to change the ball valve than the diaphragm,all that is needed is an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips,the nut you want to undo is on the pipe connecting to the ball valve which is normally a tap-connector,these undo anti clock wise so if you  hold the grips on the body of the ball valve whilst undoing the nut with the spanner,when you have done this undo the nut which attaches the ball valve to the tank again undo it in an anti clockwise movement. reverse it to do it back up.If you are replacing the ball valves get a couple of tap connector washers as well,these are little red fibre washers that go between the tap connector and the ball valve,but remeber to remove the old 1's fisrt.Depending which ball valve you get you can adjust the water level by either bending the brass arm down or adjusting a nut on the arm that holds the float(ball thingy)

As for the hot water going into the feed and expansion tank(little tank) this is caused by either over heating of the water in your heating system or the pump running at  a too high speed, have a look on your pump to see if it has a speed setting normally indicated by either III, IIor I,   III is high speed I is low speed if that doesnt work it sounds like the boiler thermostat isnt working properly which will need replacing.

What boiler do you have and what make of pump is it?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: boldie on April 04, 2009, 03:39:14 PM
If your  in the loft you might as well change both ball valves at the same time as it sounds if the diaphragm is begining to wear and its just easier to change the ball valve than the diaphragm,all that is needed is an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips,the nut you want to undo is on the pipe connecting to the ball valve which is normally a tap-connector,these undo anti clock wise so if you  hold the grips on the body of the ball valve whilst undoing the nut with the spanner,when you have done this undo the nut which attaches the ball valve to the tank again undo it in an anti clockwise movement. reverse it to do it back up.If you are replacing the ball valves get a couple of tap connector washers as well,these are little red fibre washers that go between the tap connector and the ball valve,but remeber to remove the old 1's fisrt.Depending which ball valve you get you can adjust the water level by either bending the brass arm down or adjusting a nut on the arm that holds the float(ball thingy)

As for the hot water going into the feed and expansion tank(little tank) this is caused by either over heating of the water in your heating system or the pump running at  a too high speed, have a look on your pump to see if it has a speed setting normally indicated by either III, IIor I,   III is high speed I is low speed if that doesnt work it sounds like the boiler thermostat isnt working properly which will need replacing.

What boiler do you have and what make of pump is it?

Silo, please post a cheque for £250.00 to Mr Cia :)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 04, 2009, 04:23:52 PM
If your  in the loft you might as well change both ball valves at the same time as it sounds if the diaphragm is begining to wear and its just easier to change the ball valve than the diaphragm,all that is needed is an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips,the nut you want to undo is on the pipe connecting to the ball valve which is normally a tap-connector,these undo anti clock wise so if you  hold the grips on the body of the ball valve whilst undoing the nut with the spanner,when you have done this undo the nut which attaches the ball valve to the tank again undo it in an anti clockwise movement. reverse it to do it back up.If you are replacing the ball valves get a couple of tap connector washers as well,these are little red fibre washers that go between the tap connector and the ball valve,but remeber to remove the old 1's fisrt.Depending which ball valve you get you can adjust the water level by either bending the brass arm down or adjusting a nut on the arm that holds the float(ball thingy)

As for the hot water going into the feed and expansion tank(little tank) this is caused by either over heating of the water in your heating system or the pump running at  a too high speed, have a look on your pump to see if it has a speed setting normally indicated by either III, IIor I,   III is high speed I is low speed if that doesnt work it sounds like the boiler thermostat isnt working properly which will need replacing.

What boiler do you have and what make of pump is it?

Silo, please post a cheque for £250.00 to Mr Cia :)

£350 was only 15mins advice  ;D


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Tractor on April 04, 2009, 04:34:54 PM
Well at least it didnt go wrong next weekend, im sure cia would charge extra for bank holidays :)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 06, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
 ;technolog;?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: AndrewT on April 06, 2009, 11:09:59 AM
There's a bit of a trickle coming out of the over flow pipe so I went to the loft and checked them out.   The main one is fine, I made a small adjustment to the ball thingy and it's ok now. 

If there's a bit of a trickle coming out of my pipe, I often find a small adjustment to the ball thingy helps solves the problem too.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 06, 2009, 01:17:21 PM
There's a bit of a trickle coming out of the over flow pipe so I went to the loft and checked them out.   The main one is fine, I made a small adjustment to the ball thingy and it's ok now. 

If there's a bit of a trickle coming out of my pipe, I often find a small adjustment to the ball thingy helps solves the problem too.

After joobie and claw rumaging through yr pockets I'm surprised it was just a trickle


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: G1BTW on April 07, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
   
Mogę zrobić dla ciebie, ale to będzie kosztować co najmniej dwieście euro plus zawołać za sto.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 03:14:59 PM
Must sort this out!  Been busy over the weekend and yesterday but will reread properly and reply later on when I get home, thanks :)

   
Mogę zrobić dla ciebie, ale to będzie kosztować co najmniej dwieście euro plus zawołać za sto.

Why didn't I think of that !!


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
The ball part in the main tank was replaced only a year or so ago, I did that myself so I guess it doesn't need changing just yet.  The one in the smaller tank I'll change in the next couple of days.

The boiler is a Stelrad Ideal Elan 2 NF Gas Boiler.  It's quite old, I expect since the house was new in around 1990.   The pump on the hot water tank is a Grundfos Selectric.  It was on III so I switched it on to I.  It's still trickling out from the overflow pipe but I'll give it a while to get rid of any excess.  Will the pump do the job on setting I?  It's been on III since it was put in which I think was only about 4 years ago.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: gatso on April 07, 2009, 05:19:24 PM
   
Mogę zrobić dla ciebie, ale to będzie kosztować co najmniej dwieście euro plus zawołać za sto.

why is a polish plumber offering to do a job at silo's house in england but charging in euros?

bloody expensive though graham, you need to negotiate with him


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 07, 2009, 06:24:51 PM
Boiler probably will need replacing soon, and you probaly need a good flush of the heating system in the summer

Setting I, will depend on how sludged up your heating system is and how many rads are on it,check when the heating is on if all the rads are getting hot.

Get a receptical to empty some of the water out of the F&E tank (little 1) BUT DONT POUR THE CONTENTS INTO THE BIG 1,this will stop the water overflowing,keep an eye on it to see if it starts again,




Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
   
Mogę zrobić dla ciebie, ale to będzie kosztować co najmniej dwieście euro plus zawołać za sto.

why is a polish plumber offering to do a job at silo's house in england but charging in euros?

bloody expensive though graham, you need to negotiate with him
50 Euros, no more!!! That's it I tell you, 50.

Cheers CIA, will see how that goes.  Does feel a bit cool in the house though!    I'm sure the service man has mentioned before about a flush and a new boiler so sadly it doesn't suprise me.   Any ideas on ball park figures for either?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 07, 2009, 07:33:06 PM
between 600 and 1000 for the boiler ish +fitting + the flushing probaly all in about £1500-£2k

if the rads feel a bit cold turn pump up to II and keep an eye on overflow,

How many rads you got?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
Gulp, best do a Flushy! 

7 rads downstairs and 5 upstairs, 12.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: G1BTW on April 07, 2009, 08:18:28 PM
Become an MP, move in with your sister, and declare it as you 'second home'? Should get quite a nice boiler for for 10 grand, not to mention some porn to watch while it's installed.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 08:22:57 PM
I don't need more porn ???


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 07, 2009, 08:45:17 PM
Gulp, best do a Flushy! 

7 rads downstairs and 5 upstairs, 12. 

 hence setting III definitely put it up to II


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 07, 2009, 08:46:47 PM
british gas 3 star cover FTW

http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/maintenance-and-repair.html?WT.seg_3=i100253 (http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/maintenance-and-repair.html?WT.seg_3=i100253)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 07, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
We've just cancelled that cos they said they'd not cover our existing boiler because it's so old and they wanted us to have a flush.  Seemed pointless paying for cover that didn't cover us!


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 20, 2009, 02:15:22 PM
is all well?


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 20, 2009, 07:19:15 PM
Not really.  It's not that but but I have someone coming out on Wednesday, I uncancelled the policy and took advantage of it!

Swapped the ballcock part in the overflow today which has solved part of it, but there's still hot water coming in from the tank below whenever we have the hot water on.  Also, the boiler is making horrendous banging noises from time to time when the water is on.

It's not that much of an issue as I can just turn the hot water on so we get a tank full, then turn it off agan.    Tried turning the pump down to 1 or 2, but the rads never got that warm so had to put it back up to 3.

Hopefully sorted on Wednesday :)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: cia260895 on April 20, 2009, 11:26:02 PM
Gl m8 just make sure the engineer has a Gas Register Safe ID card as CORGI registration is no longer valid as per link.

http://www.yell.com/plumbers/information/the-new-name-in-gas-safety?location=EH11&broaderLocation= (http://www.yell.com/plumbers/information/the-new-name-in-gas-safety?location=EH11&broaderLocation=)


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 21, 2009, 10:33:52 AM
He's from British Gas so should be ok. Will look out for that though if we need a new boiler and don't go with BG.

Cheers for the advice Cia


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 29, 2009, 06:44:36 PM
Just an update on things, a warning to you all really.

BG came round to quote for a new boiler, flushing etc, total cost Just over £3500.   Just Googled the boiler they quoted £2398+vat for and an online shop is selling it for £537+vat.  The flue that was £298+vat, well they don't do one above £60.

Clearly I'm not going the BG route, but if you are ever in need of something like this, shop around and don't take thier word for it.


Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: outragous76 on April 29, 2009, 06:54:30 PM
where do you live i have contacts



Title: Re: Plumbing Help - Water Overflow
Post by: Graham C on April 29, 2009, 06:56:53 PM
 I'm in Bracknell but my Dad knows someone so should be ok thanks.  I'm just shocked how much BG charge for something compared to the normal value.  I guess they rely on their name, I almost felt obliged to go with them.