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Title: Poker Agents
Post by: DaveShoelace on April 05, 2009, 11:12:43 AM
In the last couple of months, for the first time really, I have been finding myself getting involved with 'poker agents' for a number of things (mainly when I am interviewing their players). Some of them really know their stuff, others seem a bit useless, I imagine thats the case with all types of agents in fields like sports and entertainment.

It makes me wonder what sort of deals these guys are on. Are they on a percentage of players profits or a set fee? Anyone have any idea? Or at least, what sort of deals are the sporty/entertainmenty agents on? I imagine it could be a whole lot of work for nothing if you are on a percentage of players profits and they went broke.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: action man on April 05, 2009, 12:01:40 PM
never heard anything more ludicrous in my life.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Karabiner on April 05, 2009, 12:14:14 PM
In the last couple of months, for the first time really, I have been finding myself getting involved with 'poker agents' for a number of things (mainly when I am interviewing their players). Some of them really know their stuff, others seem a bit useless, I imagine thats the case with all types of agents in fields like sports and entertainment.

It makes me wonder what sort of deals these guys are on. Are they on a percentage of players profits or a set fee? Anyone have any idea? Or at least, what sort of deals are the sporty/entertainmenty agents on? I imagine it could be a whole lot of work for nothing if you are on a percentage of players profits and they went broke.


I would imagine that the agent would get a cut of anything they can generate away from the poker table and that the player's profits have nothing to do with the deal apart from raising his/her profile and making the player more marketable.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 05, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
lol @ poker players with agents wtf!!!

Seriously what self respecting player has an agent?


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Colchester Kev on April 05, 2009, 12:20:39 PM
lol @ poker players with agents wtf!!!

Seriously what self respecting player has an agent?

The shrewdies have Nicky as their "Online" Agent ;)





Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: CelticGeezeer on April 05, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
Las Vegas poker Agent Brian Balsbaugh — Founder, President & CEO of Poker Royalty
Email: brian@pokerroyalty.com

Source : Gamblin' Man — An article written by John Gonzalez for SPIRIT, Southwest Airlines Magazine.
The phone in poker agent Brian Balsbaugh's office rings off the hook. The business of poker is booming and the top professional poker players in the world are demanding Balsbaugh's attention. Everyday he is negotiating deals for his big name clients: Phil Hellmuth, Daniel Negreanu, Erick Lindgren. The biggest and best names in poker are in high demand.

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http://pokerroyalty.com/about/brian-balsbaugh.php


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: thetank on April 05, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Makes sense I suppose.

If I were a TV producer negotiating a deal with Gus Hansen directly and he demanded more money lest he take his talents to the other side of the street, I'd be inclined to think he was bluffing.  ;D


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: AlexMartin on April 05, 2009, 02:16:45 PM
makes a lot of sense for the big names obviously. Do they want to deal with every little bit of possible business they are approached with? I think letting someone else take control of x, y and z makes a lot of sense, time is precious.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Div on April 05, 2009, 02:27:51 PM
I've seen a few articles about the WSOP that talk about these guys coming out of the woodwork, especially as the televised events head towards final table time.

They generally target the unknowns who won't have pre existing arrangements, and try to broker deals for wearing logos and branded merchandise on TV.

For the big name players they probably do more work on getting tie ins to things like books, games, TV appearances, etc.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: sovietsong on April 05, 2009, 08:10:11 PM
I am willing to offer my services as a poker agent to all blondes at 50% of my normal rate.  Not sure what my normal rate is yet but PM me and I'm sure I can come up with something, Rick not sure if this offer is open to you, it upsets me when people mock my chosen career, add to that I think our wardrobes would clash...


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 05, 2009, 08:40:35 PM
I think Moomin has an agent. :D


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on April 05, 2009, 08:41:40 PM
I think Moomin has an agent. :D

Why else do you think Brian Townsend moved to Brighton?


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 05, 2009, 08:43:22 PM
I think Moomin has an agent. :D

Why else do you think Brian (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=904) Townsend (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=904) moved to Brighton?

lol


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: AlexMartin on April 06, 2009, 02:21:53 AM
I think Moomin has an agent. :D

Why else do you think Brian (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=904) Townsend (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=904) moved to Brighton?

lol

kara is HOT and im jealous.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Dry em on April 06, 2009, 08:07:06 AM
Had 2 people contact us about this very recently, although it just seemed like people jumping on a bandwagon, rather than being very experienced. Were both talking about % deals. Both weren't talking about it for very long...


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: DaveShoelace on April 06, 2009, 08:33:06 AM
Had 2 people contact us about this very recently, although it just seemed like people jumping on a bandwagon, rather than being very experienced. Were both talking about % deals. Both weren't talking about it for very long...

A percentage of all your winnings or just online/specific tournies they got your sponsorship for?

That is a bit of a joke, I think the Hit Squad are probably a good example of how most players DONT need an agent, as they do a pretty decent job of advertising themselves (It helps that are at every bleedin FT in the UK)


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Dry em on April 06, 2009, 09:35:42 AM
Had 2 people contact us about this very recently, although it just seemed like people jumping on a bandwagon, rather than being very experienced. Were both talking about % deals. Both weren't talking about it for very long...

A percentage of all your winnings or just online/specific tournies they got your sponsorship for?

That is a bit of a joke, I think the Hit Squad are probably a good example of how most players DONT need an agent, as they do a pretty decent job of advertising themselves (It helps that are at every bleedin FT in the UK)

%'s of any fees that you might get for tv things, writing gigs, bootcamp stuff etc that they had got for you and yes if they were to get you a full sponsorship deal most would be looking for a % of winnings in the tournaments you're sponsored for. You need to be very savvy though as they can put pretty much anything into a contract that your average poker player may or may not read through as accurately as you should

I'm pretty well prepared for these things from my studying/working background, but not everyone is, especially those that have dropped out of uni to go into poker. The poker royalty guys found at the wsop are a prime example of how young players can be swept up and taken advantage of.... When James made his final table last year, these guys were all over him telling him how certain sites had specifically asked for him blah blah blah. Fortunately I was able to help him wade through some of that crap and make sure he didn't get signed up for something benefiting the agent more than the player.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Ironside on April 06, 2009, 09:57:52 AM
i am looking for a gig as an agent

anything in poker where i dont need to win


anyone looking for an agent who cant promise you anything

but is looking for 50% of your deals and 200% of you winnings - loses then i am your man


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: byronkincaid on April 06, 2009, 10:28:23 AM
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When James made his final table last year, these guys were all over him telling him how certain sites had specifically asked for him blah blah blah. Fortunately I was able to help him wade through some of that crap and make sure he didn't get signed up for something benefiting the agent more than the player.

he signed with UB right? were you not concerned that he might not get paid? they screwed bax...



Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: DaveShoelace on April 06, 2009, 10:52:22 AM
When James made his final table last year, these guys were all over him telling him how certain sites had specifically asked for him blah blah blah. Fortunately I was able to help him wade through some of that crap and make sure he didn't get signed up for something benefiting the agent more than the player.

What did you charge him for that, 10%?  :D


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Dry em on April 06, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
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When James made his final table last year, these guys were all over him telling him how certain sites had specifically asked for him blah blah blah. Fortunately I was able to help him wade through some of that crap and make sure he didn't get signed up for something benefiting the agent more than the player.

he signed with UB right? were you not concerned that he might not get paid? they screwed bax...



The intermediary that he used in that case was a friend of a friend, who we knew we could trust. Sure there is risk involved with anything where you're not getting paid up front, but the deal he chose in the end was by far the best, with all things considered


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Dry em on April 06, 2009, 10:55:08 AM
When James made his final table last year, these guys were all over him telling him how certain sites had specifically asked for him blah blah blah. Fortunately I was able to help him wade through some of that crap and make sure he didn't get signed up for something benefiting the agent more than the player.

What did you charge him for that, 10%?  :D
;)



Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: ScottMGee on April 06, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
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The intermediary that he used in that case was a friend of a friend, who we knew we could trust. Sure there is risk involved with anything where you're not getting paid up front, but the deal he chose in the end was by far the best, with all things considered

Is that not a questionable decision considering the reputation of UB within the poker playing community.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Dry em on April 06, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
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The intermediary that he used in that case was a friend of a friend, who we knew we could trust. Sure there is risk involved with anything where you're not getting paid up front, but the deal he chose in the end was by far the best, with all things considered

Is that not a questionable decision considering the reputation of UB within the poker playing community.

All decisions are questionable, at the time bottom line $$ were taken above taking a moral high ground and pretending that turning down a one off sponsorship would effect anything that had gone on before. Other people might have made different decisions, other people might not truely know what they would do until put in the specific situation. Anyways, bit off topic of the original thread, not for me to discuss any further anyway really, am sure James would chat about his personal reasons with you if you ever meet him in person.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
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The intermediary that he used in that case was a friend of a friend, who we knew we could trust. Sure there is risk involved with anything where you're not getting paid up front, but the deal he chose in the end was by far the best, with all things considered

Is that not a questionable decision considering the reputation of UB within the poker playing community.

Nope take the cash IMO unless your a big name and have something to lose.........

Hasn't done Phil Helmuth any harm either.


Title: Re: Poker Agents
Post by: Nem on April 08, 2009, 09:45:53 AM
flushy needs an agent imo ;-)