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Title: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Newmanseye on April 06, 2009, 03:29:25 PM Starting a new hand (#-2124589205) Dealer: mir75020 posts Small Blind 20 Dealer: KingZorro posts Big Blind 40 Dealer: Dealing cards Dealer: Your cards Js 5s Dealer: aliend29 folds Dealer: hgetis calls 40 Dealer: L50B58 calls 40 Dealer: Dulwich calls 40 Dealer: jumpinspider folds Dealer: ford53 folds Dealer: treflas23 folds Dealer: (3575) newmanseye1 raises to 200 Dealer: mir75020 folds Dealer: KingZorro folds Dealer: (4650) hgetis calls 160 Dealer: L50B58 folds Dealer: Dulwich folds Dealer: Dealing Flop 9c 6c 4h Dealer: hgetis checks Dealer: newmanseye1 bets 360 Dealer: hgetis raises to 720 Dealer: newmanseye1 raises to 3,375 Dealer: hgetis calls 2,655 Dealer: Dealing Turn 9c 6c 4h Qd Dealer: Dealing River 9c 6c 4h Qd 7d Dealer: hgetis shows One Pair 7h Kh Dealer: newmanseye1 shows High Card Js 5s Dealer: hgetis wins with One Pair 7d 7h 9c Qd Kh 7,290 Dealer: hgetis wins with One Pair 7d 7h 9c Qd Kh 7,290 Now I know I had the worst of it, i went for the resteal shove, But I dont see how he can call here? Was this just an Emo Greek call for a backdoor flushdraw? was my line ok given the standard or should i be folding all but premium at this stage? Opinions pls and dont say fold pre ffs I know, I was stealing thats why i raised and was restealing. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 06, 2009, 03:31:03 PM For the 100th time, people don't fold at small stakes. Stop trying to make them.
Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: daviebhoy on April 06, 2009, 03:44:54 PM I just don't understand this. Why this deep are we stealing a limped pot with J5s ? You managed to stack off trying to win 120 chips.
When the steal doesn't get through why follow it up after we completely miss ? (I can see argument for c-betting but your prob best check-folding imo.) When we get raised on the flop - why jam with Jack high ? I don't understand......... If you have been making a habit of this I don't blame opponent for calling with K high. Otherwise, as has been said, why get funky with Jack high at these stakes where people will call off all their chips with K high ? Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Newmanseye on April 06, 2009, 03:54:58 PM I just don't understand this. Why this deep are we stealing a limped pot with J5s ? You managed to stack off trying to win 120 chips. When the steal doesn't get through why follow it up after we completely miss ? (I can see argument for c-betting but your prob best check-folding imo.) I have a TAG image, i expect my chips to do the work here When we get raised on the flop - why jam with Jack high ? i had been playing super tight, i was expecting to take it down with a jam, given my tight image I don't understand......... If you have been making a habit of this I don't blame opponent for calling with K high. see above Otherwise, as has been said, why get funky with Jack high at these stakes where people will call off all their chips with K high ? At what stakes exactly? Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: EvilPie on April 06, 2009, 04:09:43 PM Just made a reply then read the hand properly and deleted my whole post.
Hmmm. It all went in on the flop. Bit of a donk call by him to be fair. What are the stakes? How many runners are in the tournament? This can be a factor when deciding whether to bluff. Maybe the guy's multitabling loads and just likes to get lucky and build a big stack early. Next time stick it in his eye please. Thankyou. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: daviebhoy on April 06, 2009, 04:13:52 PM i had been playing super tight, i was expecting to take it down with a jam, given my tight image I think this is a flawed play. You need opponent to fold here almost 100% of the time for it to be profitable and that is never going to be the case. I don't know what stakes but I'm assuming guy limping in EP with K7s then calling a raise didn't have any WSOP bracelets. dn Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 06, 2009, 04:15:39 PM Fold pre ffs.
Or more likely this guy has played you before and thought yeah, K high is good against this guy 80% of the time. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: CelticGeezeer on April 06, 2009, 04:16:44 PM Looks like chip dumping to me, I would report it.
Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: GreekStein on April 06, 2009, 04:51:55 PM I'm guessing its like a $50-100 tourney in which case the whole hand completely puzzles me. (I recognise the player 'Dulwich' who is relatively new blonde Ant Gaughan and I know that's the range of tourney he tends to play).
I know you said 'dont say fold pre ffs I know, I was stealing thats why i raised and was restealing' but WTF!?. You want opinions when the only reasonable thing than can be said is FOLD PRE!? 60 chips aren't worth stealing. Just fold these trash hands and you'll never get into this spot. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Newmanseye on April 06, 2009, 05:04:10 PM I'm guessing its like a $50-100 tourney in which case the whole hand completely puzzles me. (I recognise the player 'Dulwich' who is relatively new blonde Ant Gaughan and I know that's the range of tourney he tends to play). I know you said 'dont say fold pre ffs I know, I was stealing thats why i raised and was restealing' but WTF!?. You want opinions when the only reasonable thing than can be said is FOLD PRE!? 60 chips aren't worth stealing. Just fold these trash hands and you'll never get into this spot. Sorry I should explain more, The villian in this had been uber active, rereraising people on flops and it was fairly obvious he was outplaying the tighter people on the table, he was defending any blind of his that was raised and he loved to 4 - 5 bet people off pots, hence I was expecting to get in to a pot allow a pot to build and take his decision away from him forcing the fold, me representing the overpair and taking advantage of my image. It was all going to plan untill the call. thats the part i am puzzled by Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: MC on April 06, 2009, 05:11:02 PM He's obviously called you cos he's a complete donkey, for no other reason.
But.... Quote I just don't understand this. Why this deep are we stealing a limped pot with J5s ? You managed to stack off trying to win 120 chips. ^^this Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: GreekStein on April 06, 2009, 05:15:57 PM I'm guessing its like a $50-100 tourney in which case the whole hand completely puzzles me. (I recognise the player 'Dulwich' who is relatively new blonde Ant Gaughan and I know that's the range of tourney he tends to play). I know you said 'dont say fold pre ffs I know, I was stealing thats why i raised and was restealing' but WTF!?. You want opinions when the only reasonable thing than can be said is FOLD PRE!? 60 chips aren't worth stealing. Just fold these trash hands and you'll never get into this spot. Sorry I should explain more, The villian in this had been uber active, rereraising people on flops and it was fairly obvious he was outplaying the tighter people on the table, he was defending any blind of his that was raised and he loved to 4 - 5 bet people off pots, hence I was expecting to get in to a pot allow a pot to build and take his decision away from him forcing the fold, me representing the overpair and taking advantage of my image. It was all going to plan untill the call. thats the part i am puzzled by Doesn't have to be AA but wait for a hand that plays a little better than J5 to do battle with him - if he plays every pot and outplays ur weak table wait for a real hand to catch him. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: boldie on April 06, 2009, 06:56:13 PM He's obviously called you cos he's a complete donkey, for no other reason. But.... Quote I just don't understand this. Why this deep are we stealing a limped pot with J5s ? You managed to stack off trying to win 120 chips. ^^this this. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: johnbhoy76 on April 06, 2009, 07:04:16 PM I'm guessing its like a $50-100 tourney in which case the whole hand completely puzzles me. (I recognise the player 'Dulwich' who is relatively new blonde Ant Gaughan and I know that's the range of tourney he tends to play). I know you said 'dont say fold pre ffs I know, I was stealing thats why i raised and was restealing' but WTF!?. You want opinions when the only reasonable thing than can be said is FOLD PRE!? 60 chips aren't worth stealing. Just fold these trash hands and you'll never get into this spot. Sorry I should explain more, The villian in this had been uber active, rereraising people on flops and it was fairly obvious he was outplaying the tighter people on the table, he was defending any blind of his that was raised and he loved to 4 - 5 bet people off pots, hence I was expecting to get in to a pot allow a pot to build and take his decision away from him forcing the fold, me representing the overpair and taking advantage of my image. This just seems like such a difficult plan to execute. Surely you've got to think to yourself there must be easier ways of getting chips? I think when he re-raises on the flop you have to admit that your steal attempt has gone horribly wrong and it's back to the drawing board. No harm in folding right here in my opinion. p.s. As has been said his call is horrendous. I've no idea what he was thinking. at least you had a reason for doing what you did Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Boba Fett on April 06, 2009, 07:28:04 PM Billy ships
Fish says "Is that the cash game starting? OK I call" He has a tell on u mate :P Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: keilan303 on April 06, 2009, 08:21:56 PM Sharkscope the guy, he's a mug, and its not hard to see why.
I don't think you should be relying on "having a tight image" when it looks like level 1, I don't think any decent player will really have any opinions on anyone yet.... and stealing 60 chips when it looks like you have 90xBB is asking for trouble, and of very little value. 10 hands later villain was probably busted out the tourney anyway, just think if you had any showdown value in the hand, you would be getting paid! Most likely someone else at the table would have exploited this donk based on the info gained in this hand and doubled through..... Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Royal Flush on April 06, 2009, 08:57:39 PM I like it however not on a 964 board, he is c/ring too many draws to call, on a 843 J62 229 board etc its good.
Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: EvilPie on April 07, 2009, 11:05:03 AM I like it however not on a 964 board, he is c/ring too many draws to call, on a 843 J62 229 board etc its good. If you've got a minute could you please fill in the etc's. That would be very useful. Thanks. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: EvilPie on April 07, 2009, 11:21:09 AM A few questions Billy.
How many orbits has this game been going on for? I guess we're in level 2 so not many. Are you sure that this guy's been watching the way you play? Is he sat next to you? If he is then maybe, if not then probably not. Do you usually play tight? What will your stats shows if this guy has a HUD switched on? What I'm getting at basically is are you sure that this guy knows that you're tight and will only play the nuts? If you are sure then it's a donk call by him. If not then it's justifiable. You could easily be shoving with a draw making him think his K high is good. Also he could easily call with a draw that might surprise him when he finds out he's ahead anyway. If he calls with a draw you're never a big favourite as he has outs for hitting pairs as well. Not the worse move ever but not the best timing. Also like others have said, why do it this deep? You might as well wait until there's something worth stealing before getting in to this kind of funky situation. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: Newmanseye on April 07, 2009, 12:04:00 PM A few questions Billy. How many orbits has this game been going on for? I guess we're in level 2 so not many. Orbits hmm not sure possibly 4 - 5 maybe more . Are you sure that this guy's been watching the way you play? Is he sat next to you? If he is then maybe, if not then probably not. Well I gave him credits for having some savvy by the way he was playing people off pots and showing ridic bluffs, He would call any raise and go quite mental on the flop, i made my stack from a set that held 3 way. I have been paid off with Kk early and i didnt show many more I think in total i have played 4 -5 pots at most. Do you usually play tight? What will your stats shows if this guy has a HUD switched on? Stats! lol I wish i could get a poker addon to work for me. I honestly cant answer this one What I'm getting at basically is are you sure that this guy knows that you're tight and will only play the nuts? If you are sure then it's a donk call by him. If not then it's justifiable. You could easily be shoving with a draw making him think his K high is good. Also he could easily call with a draw that might surprise him when he finds out he's ahead anyway. If he calls with a draw you're never a big favourite as he has outs for hitting pairs as well. Not the worse move ever but not the best timing. Also like others have said, why do it this deep? You might as well wait until there's something worth stealing before getting in to this kind of funky situation. Title: Re: Soulread or donk call WTF Post by: EvilPie on April 07, 2009, 12:21:59 PM He would call any raise and go quite mental on the flop, To be honest mate if this is the case then the guy's best avoided. If there's a nutter on the table sometimes it's best to just fall in to place and let him take charge for a while. There's a long way to go yet and at some point you will pick up something better than J5 with which to do battle. I went through a stage of making these kind of bluffs. You know the ones where in all likelyhood you are drawing dead. If you're going to war with this guy at least have some kind of gut shot or even bottom pair that could turn in to 2 pair. Anything to give a glimmer of hope if the bluff goes horribly wrong. Call or raise him pre with some suited connectors then make your stand with either a pair or a gutshot with backdoor flush or something like that. Shoving with J5 here you were lucky to be in such good shape. Yes his call was bad but you've already described him as a nutter so it's nice to have a bit of backup in case he calls with K high. The bastard!!!!!! |