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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7998925.stm

Is it totally pointless to try an 89 year old man?

Or should he be accountable even after 65 years?

no and yes in that order

Tough one but on balance - pointless I think

He should be tried regardless of age and health ... why should he get to die peacefully surrounded by his loved ones when he deprived so so so many human beings of that privilege !

If?

what he said

I have to agree that crimes like that should never go unpunished, no matter what time has flowed away. The only concerns are has evidence been lost by the delay, both defence and prosecution, and can the defendant properly defend himself at such an advanced age?

I'm assuming they don't drag 89 year old gents out of their home, without just cause and reason.

IMO, it matters not how much time has passed.

with 45 year old evidence he was sentenced to death until they realised they had the wrong person so you've got to seriously question how sound a conviction can be with 65 year old evidence

if we could guarantee the right decision then obv you have to try him. unfortunately there's no way of guaranteeing it

IF sufficient evidence is produced for it to go to trial then yes it should but if he is too ill to travel what would happen then?

is it possible for it to go to court in the USA?

If found guilty he should go to prison for the rest of his life.

Try him or make him pope

either or

I say leave him the hell alone.

It was a war, and he was on the losing side. He was just a grunt who probably acted no differently than anyone would have done had they been born in that time and in that place.

That's bollox tank, I wouldn't have been a Nazi, I'm good me.

Yeah whatever.

I am really not sure about this.

What is point of putting someone in prison?

Punishment: well, if he's guilty he's probably been looking over his shoulder all his life wondering if that knock on the door is going to be the police to arrest him or worse a relative of someone he guarded to put a bullet through his skull, which is pretty fair punishment.

Deterrent to him: at 89 he's not likely to offend again.

Deterrent to other: I doubt another holocaust is going to happen.

Revenge. The only reason I can see to go after him. Pretty fair reason in the case of holocaust perpertrators.

He's also been living with what he's done for the last lot of years.

Not sure what I think about it either tbh.

Why try him at all, Silo et al have already decided he's guilty.

Just shoot him in the head and be done with it.

I don't think anyone's actually said that Tank, but presumably there is enough evidence to charge him and warrant the extradition.  The question is whether he should be tried.

Correction, the question is whether he should be tried AGAIN.

Fresh evidence my ass, it's all politics.

I think anyone who commits war crimes, but hasn't been punished, should live in fear of being caught and tried for the rest of their lives.

It's just that my bullshit detector is beeping on this one.

I reckon someone somewhere just wants a record of bringing Nazi's to justice, (to speculate as to why, maybe to offset something else in their past that could be construed as being anti-Semetic?) and they've dug up some paperwork on some chap who has already been tried years ago.
Not disclosing on his immigration paperwork that he was a guard at the camps is all they said the 'fresh evidence' was. No fresh evidence on him actually being this Ivan the terrible wotsit manny, tell me if I'm wrong.


Everyone has a bullshit detector, but it's turned off when it comes to Nazis and hollocaust because that's the way we're programmed. I doubt anyone will look to closely at this. read Nazi, and it's all good, bring him to justice, facism is wrong. good on you, about time, what's for dinner?

ldo, facism is wrong and the hollocaust was a terrible terrible period in history, but haven't we already tried this 89 year old? Why are we getting him out of bed?

ffs camel call your self a poker pro


of course poker players will have a view on it

ffs they have a view on which drop of rain will hit the floor first

my view is try him but i dont see much point

he will be dead before he gets found innocent or guilty

The reason they're going after this guy is because it's far far far easier to punish him and get that 'I am a good person who is doing the right thing' feeling than it is to actually go after people who are committing atrocities in parts of the world today.

It's akin to the police catching speeding motorists (cos it's easy) rather than going after proper villains.

The Israelis aquitted him. Good enough for me to say that it's probably best just left alone.

If he really was Ivan then he should still be tried though.


lolz @ anyone saying "They wouldn't arrest him without good reason"..that's not what this case is about at all.

sense-aments

wp

Ronnie Biggs, should he have been pursued around the world so many year after his crime and brought to justice ?

If there's evidence then he should be tried.  I don't believe there is a period of time after which a crime is exonerated.

But as Andrew said, why aren't we going after people who are currently carrying out atrocities? Thousands of lives could be saved.

Define "we" ?

The whole thing is a waste of money. Imagine the amount they are spending getting him to the trial, the trial, then even the cost of imprisoning someone who is so old?!

Ridiculous in my opinion. How on earth can they piece together the true story of what he did and why?

And a big lol at trial = justice

I agree with tank, andrew t and kin this guy is an easy target, why not try and sort out some of the people comitting crimes now? Putting this guy in prison might make some people feel better but it wont improve the world.

There was an interview with one of the 'nazi hunters' in FHM last year, was a very interesting read, he wanted to right the wrongs of the world by putting pensioners on trial. What a man.....

Blonde members ldo.

It's a pity this monster was not stopped before he escaped to America and went on a rampage of living the life of a quiet car factory worker in the Midwest, for decades.
I'm not saying that if he did work in the death camps that he should not have seen the evil he was party to, and sought to leave it. But science has shown since then that most people who become subject to authority e.g. in such an army DO just do what they are told. Nazi Germany didn't kill so many millions of Jews because Germans are naturally evil, it happened because a few of them were very evil and millions did what humans just do, which is to just go along with it/obey orders no matter what they're told to do.
People suffered a lot of pain because of the loss in those atrocities, and want retribution to ease it. Are they seeking justice? Or revenge?

What does the writing in your sig mean Mr. G1BTW?

Hebrew "If you've bothered to translate this you have too much time on your hands"
Arabic "Mission f*cked"

And who is the little lady in your avatar and what is she trying to say to me?

Boxxy. Please please please don't search it on youtube please please I don't want to start a flame war lol
She's saying 'my name is boxxy and Stuart is having funny thoughts about me'

agree with this to the word. There was so much propaganda rife inWW11 that the germans believed that the jewish were devils and the enemy.
Almost like nowadays where we were told that "afghanistan is our enemy"  "there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

Yeah, the exact same thing happened in Rwanda with the Hutus spreading anti-Tutsi propaganda - dehumanising them by comparing them to cockroaches.

However old he is and however long ago it happened the fuker should find justice. He volunteered to gas, herd and kill people lets not forget.

again..the Israelis aquitted him.

They acquitted him on the charge that he was "Ivan the Terrible" ...

He has now been released from custody pending further investigations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7998925.stm

yeah but that's what he was accused of. ...Now he's being accused of being a guard.
Makes things a bit confusing; accusing someone of being one thing the next and another thing a while after that doesn't help make the cae for the prosecution IMO.