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Villain views me as on likely day release. He is a fairly weaktight tag like 20/14 or so. I dont know what to do.........


***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 512713140 *****
NL $1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 23, 00:42:18 GMT 2009
Table Oxygen 180 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Tarkalqsnik ( $543.44 )
Seat 2: The_Fish_ ( $172.50 )
Seat 3: AceKudos ( $208.53 )
Seat 4: JammyJenny ( $492.15 )
Seat 5: akecheta ( $224.13 )
Seat 6: footloose ( $199.25 )
JammyJenny posts small blind [$1]
akecheta posts big blind [$2]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ 6s, 6d ]
footloose raises to [$7]
Tarkalqsnik calls [$7]
The_Fish_ folds
AceKudos folds
JammyJenny calls [$6]
akecheta calls [$5]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 9h, 6c ]
JammyJenny checks
akecheta checks
footloose bets [$18]
Tarkalqsnik folds
JammyJenny calls [$18]
akecheta folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
JammyJenny checks
footloose bets [$48]
JammyJenny .....

Guess it depends a bit on your brand of insanity up to this point. But maybe you want to take the line that makes least sense - so perhaps flat call turn and shove river? Or maybe nearly-but-not-quite put him in on river. Think he has a much harder time folding to a line like this than to a turn c/r, and his river calling range must be wider than his betting range.

I quite like a min-raise here on turn. If he has you down as a maniac he is more likely to think you have a draw/air as opposed to a 6 and he just might shove with AK.

If he doesn't have a K or 99 you aren't going to get him to commit all his stack regardless. Calling and shoving river isn't bad either.

time bank flat..he already has 75 of his 200 stack in..he can smash the rest in on the river.

Are you suggesting calling the turn and then checking the river to him again ? I don't like that line at all as he is going to check behind way too often.

I actually think in the situation described re-raising turn all-in is even better than a min-raise as it looks more like we have a straight/flush draw as opposed to the nuts. Can weak/tight player call here though ?

Tricky against a weak/tight oppo as he's always going to take us for this horrible 6.
the type of player you're playing means you can only hope he is very excited about his hand..or he'll fold no matter what you bet into him. He will take you for the straight/flush draw about 0% of the time. The 6 probably kills your action..it's a dead board unless he holds KK.

Check call and check to him on the river hoping he doesn't take you for the 6..betting anything into him will make him believe you have the 6.

I think the problem here is stack size . if he had 200 - 250 left you could get funky, but he has already put 73 of a 199 stack in. The fact of the matter is you wont get another penny unless he has AA KK AK (<<<<< he has this) or 99.

If you are claiming you have a crazy image - i think the best way to get the stack in is the unusual play (someone above mentioned). I just dont think he folds AK here - so my play would be to reshove all in (all 400 behind) and put him to a descission. He might think you are making a play at the paired board representing trips - especially if you have been showing down low cards. Weak TAGS wait for hands like AK and are usually prepared to go the whole way on a K high board.

As for the other plays. I dont see any difference between the min raise or the flat call/lead all in. None of them have any additional value because you have no fold equity to his remaining 78 chips. ie - with the min raise he wont call it and leave 78 - he will either reshove or fold.

So for me you have

shove turn>>>>>>>flat.. lead>>>>>>>min raise >>>>>> fold  ;)

Don't think you need to raise the turn, but lead on the river.  There's a chance he'll fold if you raise him here, he prob doesn't like the board pairing so there's no need to scare him off.   Checking on the river is likely to get a check behind so I'd lead for just over half what he has left.

I think leading the river will give away that we have him crushed, I think an overbet on the turn possibly even on the flop would have worked, the only way i see you stacking him here is with a shove.

Min Raise will set off alarm bells, raise more than a min, say $60 - 70 and you may get a call but a shove can look like you are representing and dont want the call.

Shove it in

If you use BT Broadband get it in quick before you get disconnected.

Sky FTW

I agree the turn shove is best play. It makes sure you don't miss any value as hands folding turn shove also fold river imo.

Got to be a flat call, and then hope he bets out on the river and then raise it and he should be committed.

Either that or fold.

Fold??
When do we ever fold here?

when we know the other king will hit ldo.

We are 1st to act

If we call the turn - there is no way a TAG will do anything other than check behind on the river with AK on that board.

You have to try and make your play look like a bluff on the turn based on your image. The only other play i can think of which often gets tilt called is to raise to $1 less than what he has behind. Again it looks bluffy and can get tilt called

He raises more pre with KK, surely the 9 is the scare card......

Sorry, misread the OP.

If we're first to act on the river then we have to get busy on the turn if we're going to get anywhere near to stacking him.  It depends on the TAG player though - a lot will commit with AK on a board like that - which is where they lose a lot of money.

If we're up against Redbull.

He thinks you're loose as hell??

Min reraise the turn to look like you're trying to bet him off the pot..

What makes you think he raises more pre with KK?

??

We want to get busy on the turn so we can tempt him into our stable?
Or was he a Vampire?

LOL - it was in the toilets, ldo.

I raise turn here as well. Best way of getting value imo

Slightly more than a min is fine. That way he won't pass for the rest on the river anyway.

There are a lot of scare cards than can come and make him fold AK here. I think we want it in on the turn. Only reason to min-raise is in the hope that he shoves over the top of us imo.

I said slightly more as min always looks like nuts.

Very difficult.

I think you've just got to hope that he's got something as well.

If he's on the nut flush draw then a raise to $100 now may get him to shove. This is possible given the fact that he's lead out for $48 and is possibly on the semi bluff.

If we flat then he misses, a weak lead may induce a shove.

If we flat and he hits his flush we're getting paid.

If he's got a house we're getting the lot either way so it doesn't matter.

Personally I think I'd go with flat now and dwell before leading out for about $60 on the river no matter what it is. If he's hit something or has already got something then we're ok otherwise I don't think we were ever getting paid anyway.

At least this way we give him a chance to bluff if he's got nothing.

If he is a weak TAG is he betting the turn with air after we call the flop ? Is he not more likely to take a free card if he was on a draw ? I like your line against some villains but this one appears to have some kind of hand imo. I also doubt this villain as described is bluff raising the river.

If you call the turn I would think you have to check the river and hope he value bets AA/AK/KQ (obv he bets KK, 99) which is probably reasonable seeing you would be repping some kind of marginal hand you trying to get to showdown with, but that is dangerous as there is always the chance a scare card will come, or he checks behind anyway if he's weak.. Much better to put in a raise now imo,  He's got like 125 left so I dont think he will fold to a shove with a made hand given he see's you as a mentalist - he may think you using the paired 6 as a bluff card also

I think if you look at the OP he says "I want to stack him" The best way to do this imo is to raise the turn. If he's TAG he's more likely to check/check river or flat call a lead. We want to stack him the best way to do this is to raise the turn to either induce or to build the pot so we can shove on the river if he flats

rofl, +1.

ye stacks will be fine on riv if you call I think?? probs dnt wanna raise cause it looks so strong