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Alex, after your comments on the thread yesterday..I just heard Padraig make the offer of a bet of $10k that he can beat the game. Let us know the sample size and if you fancy it!

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blatant 'I have $10k to gamble with' brag imo

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how will he prove it's him playing?

webcams are standard on 2p2 prop bets

better to spend the 10k buying some decent music for the intervals in the radio show imo

Alex also said he had to do it on blonde poker.

Dale..we are hoping to double it up and buy some Westlife stuff.

what, no B*Witched?

omfg please give me $1k of action

I bet he can't go one show without slagging off someone based on one of the following two criteria:

1) They started playing poker after 2001 (the same year Padraig last won anything)
2) They aren't know to him in his tiny circle of players (mostly Irish who are all apparently world beaters)

In short, he is shit at poker, but he drinks so much he probably thinks he is good, the redeeming quality is he is damn funny (when not slagging people off who are better than he ever was/is/will be)

Zomg!

FFS reformed Flushy got his balls Kicked and Proper Flushy is out abusing people again.

rotflmfao You tell ' em Flush! ;boldie; ;boldie; ;boldie;

We think it, Flushy says it. Respect!

Whats the story here then??... cant see another thread but am presuming Alex and PP have had some kind of 'disagreement'

So funny, and so true.

0.25/0.50 could make for an interesting bet. I reckon he would get crushed playing $2/4 over a decent sample.

I have my own personal experience with PP - flushy represents the masses IMO!

I'm merely commenting on how he comes across on the show.  Don't know him, so only based on that.

Good entertainment though, does help if you actually know the poeple they are talkling about.

[ x ]  I struggle a bit there

i love padraig. Made me so welcome when i was a newbie

how about a $10k bet that Padraig can't beat 0.25/0.50 at a better ptbb/100 than Alex Martin can beat the game 2 levels higher?

20k hands.

Doubt Padraig would bet that.

Well I'm afraid the grumpy old fart is gong to spoil the party now......

1) I really don't think that being so abusive to anyone sits well with me. Everyone is now jumping on the bandwagon, but I dislike this.

2) I don't judge people by their poker ability alone, I judge them as individuals, for whom poker plays a part of their life.

3) If Padraig is "shit at poker", so what? He's survived longer than most have been playing, & if he's so hopeless at poker as is suggested, the fact he's survived so long suggests a modicum of respect is due for his dancing skills.
 
4) I fly no flag for PP, none at all, and my views on drunkenness at the poker table are well known. And Padraig likes a drink. But.....

5) Do any of you know how much money this man has helped raise for The Simon Foundation (a Charity for Homeless in Ireland)? It's hundreds of thousands of €, & Padraig works incredibly hard for this most worthy Charity.

Tell you what. I'll turn a blind eye to the abuse & vitriol, if you guys make a donation to the Charity. Can't say fairer than that, & I know Padraig well enough to say he'll settle for that.

So, how much do you wish to donate?

Really, the art of reasoned debate between grown-ups seems to be a dying one.

So, let's see those donations.

PS - For the record, Padraig & I are well acquainted, rather than "good friends", though we go back a long way, we get on well, & have never had an argument. I just think a little bit less of this ill-mannered vitriol would serve us all well. And I happen to admire Padraig immensely for the Charity work he does, and I fancy he's raised a shed-load more for Charity than anyone else on his Forum.

Grumpy Old Fart, Derbyshire, signing off.  ;)

Have a nice day.

I'm raising money for charity.

If a few more people sponsored me, I'll have raised a little more!!

http://www.justgiving.com/daniel-phillips


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Ill mannered vitriol? All there is a post from Flushy saying he doesn't think someone is very good at poker and a few people agreeing. There's been no ill mannered vitriol as far as I can see. FWIW I think Padraig has always come over pretty well on the TV.

Everyone who learnt to play poker before people worked out how to play poker optimally is almost by definition going to play badly/sub optimally, that shouldn't be held against them.

& 4 cashes in WSOP 2006 for $200,000+ aint bad goin either


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Almost all of the people who learnt the game more recently don't play optimally, or even well.
Almost all of the people who think they play optimally, don't.

(I don't pretend to know what 'optimally' is, but at least I am honest enough to admit it).

Too many people put themselves on a pedestal, and take great pleasure in belittling everyone they perceive to be below their imaginary level.
Insecurity is a very destructive quality to have.

+1

Arrogance even youthful arrogance is an ugly trait... especially when the majority who espouse these types of view have yet to achieve anything in life let alone poker.. 

Hi

I'm working with PP on the show and he is happy to have the bet if JD wants to have one, obv doesn't need to be for 10k, 1k perhaps? Loser donates to charity?

Flushy will you be a guest on the show next week?

Also i don't believe PP is the slightest bit offended by what has been posted here, please don't kill the debate! lol

I thought the bet was between AM and PP, not JD and PP?

:dontask:

dont forget jdw and ff but ty and fc want out

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and PP?

+2 seems to be a lot of this about lately

I never suggested PP was offended, I said "I did not like it", meaning the tone.

Kill the debate? No chance!

I'll be commenting on my Diary, so as not to hijack this thread further. (With one exception, to which I shall respond).

Ill mannered vitriol?

Yes, that's what I said.

All there is a post from Flushy saying he doesn't think someone is very good at poker

Phrased that way, it's fine. But it was not.

Everyone who learnt to play poker before people worked out how to play poker optimally is almost by definition going to play badly/sub optimally, that shouldn't be held against them.

The sheer arrogance of youth is something to admire, & perhaps behold. I suggest that by omtting the word "eveyone", & substituting it with "many", most", some", or "the great majority", might just give your Post some credibility & integrity. Though perhaps you really do believe that everyone who learned pre-internet plays "sub-optimally". But I don't think you could possibly mean, or believe that. I'll accept "90%" if it means we can be all cuddly wuddly?

Errrm i think i have been misunderstood, i love Padraig, he is quality! Makes a lot of the TV poker shows watch able and his chemistry with Jesse is what will make this radio venture work! I am also very impressed by his charity work and admire him for all the effort he puts into it.

Sure we can sort out a challenge of some sort of you wan, a charity donation to the loser seems like a good idea to me! I will happily do the show next week as long as its not a Sunday again as i am always playing too many tables to talk really.

Is that the real Pat Spillane?

LOL. The point i was trying to make was that $50nl is not the ridiculous cakewalk padraig seemed think it would be. I think he's a really funny guy and a very handy poker player, but i doubt he has the necessary skills to beat a far different game at a level he is alien to.

Also, his assumpton that testing a poker players ability in a cash game envornment opposed to an mtt one is flawed is wrong. i think most knowledgable players accept that deep-stacked cash games give a much better indication of a players ability than a small mtt sample size and afterall Neil is planning to send people to relatively prestigious donkaments, where for the majority of the competition players will be relatively deep.

LOL backtrackaments FTW

My guess would be that he's Paul Spillane and not Pat.  But that's just a guess, mind.

Paul Spillane of BoylesPoker, sponsors of the programme.

One and the same. 

PS  Welcome to blonde   ;)

lol overreactionaments

Ya i highly doubted that the legendary Pat Spillane would be posting on Blonde Poker!...No offence to Blonde Poker of course ;)

Pat Spillane = Kerry GAA guy?

Yup that's him

Please God...find me a bridge...lively!

Paul not Pat im fat and grey haired he's an ex sportsman.

Thanks for the welcome. Who do i get in touch with re advertising on the site? 

It's in hand already Paul, via Tighty.

PS - I love you. Does that help pump up the rate?

Will keep you over Pat any day of the week.  And that right there is a FACT!

We even have people post on here who are famous outside of their own country!

P.S Paul, I love you more. Grey hair does it for me. Rates bumped up accordingly.

do you two want this guy's money or to scare him off?!?!

If he has to pay Padraig's bar bill, his money before it runs out..........

We can offer Trade Prices for Colonic Irrigation. That help?

That offer was only for you Tikay due to your bulk order. Don't go offering it to everyone!

how about JD and PP both do an hour long training vid sitting at the same table. anything else will have loads of variance but with this you can tell a lot from a persons thoughts, about how good a player he is.

would need to be 6 max cash for many reasons imo, and I would suggest full stack play at say 2/4

you can record it on trial versions of camtasia and Eddie would maybe put them up on his site?

Playing poker optimally or close to optimally is incredibly rare in poker. I would have thought no more than 1% of all players ever play anywhere near optimally for any period of time. Anytime most players feel that they are playing close optimally they are almost certainly just running good. Almost all of the players that do play close to optimally will be top internet professionals. Blonde has some of these players for example Flushy, Moorman and Pab, none of them would claim to play optimally all of the time. I am sure that they play optimally for a higher percentage of the time than for practical purposes every pre internet live circuit professional.

Discussion of the topic of optimal play wasn't my intention when I posted on this thread; knowing Alex well as I do was just joining in the banter that I felt had been incorrectly labelled as 'ill mannered vitriol'. Accurately conveying the intended mood when posting in a forum isn't always easy and I got it wrong again. Being respectful and polite to people within a poker context and outside of the poker environment is something that is hugely important to me.

I see no reason why the old pro vs internet whizz should ever be anything other a good natured debate. Like all good subjects for debate both sides are sure there is plenty of merit in their side of the discussion.



 

Great post.

What criteria qualifys for the title 'internet whizz' ?

run as good as Moorman.

Or any Moorman for that matter....

this thread has run way off course

back to the matter at hand imo.....

is PP going to spend his spare 10K buying westlife and b*witched songs for the radio show or not?

In and want a share of the action, especially if there is like a 20k minimum number of hands that he needs to play

So over 20k hands how many bb/100 would make the bet fair to both parties?

virgin?

so thats the shrewdies in then

not sure this is allowed, try it anyway and apologies if it isnt.
First 3 shows archived

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I think this thread is a joke everyone abusing Padriag...he is a character and from what i see of poker players nowdyas there aint many about...just people with big egos and no personality whatsoever!

LONG LIVE PADRAIG and his humour!

Is there really much abusing of Padraig? Have another look, the general consensus is that he's a good guy that adds a lot to poker and does a lot of admirable work for charity.

we have to admit that allothough padraig is a great guy his judging of poker playing abilty is pretty poor

after i got lucky turning the nuts against him he tried to tell marcel luske that i could out play him

ok, i just played 7k hands of 50nl. Winrate, 1.2bb/100. The games are riddled with shortstacks and nits with very few fish.

This would be a great bet if someone was interested. I am sure Padraig is a great player but i doubt he would have the skills to beat this game. A 200nl player with a 3bb/100 winrate would be a -0.5bb/100 loser at 50nl after increased rake if his game was identical but scaled down on ipoker (thanks Keys/2+2). Lump on Dubai.

 

Definitely agree with this...

lol why is there 12 guests viewing this thread?

most will be bots

Do you mean if his winrate stayed the same?

Since 200nl is harder to beat a 3bb/100 winrate there could translate to a 6 or 7+ bb/100 winrate at 50nl.

finalising details now, gl padraig!

For real?!  Very best of luck to you Alex!

This will be epic!!

wow, whose got money on? what are the details?

results?

padraig got to 1 hand under the limit set and fell asleep in a drunken stooper, when he woke he remembered nothing

superb bump. met him and it was pretty awkward, really nice guy and obviously a super talented live player respected by almost everyone and a great laugh tbh. that being said i still think the way 6max 50nl is nowadays id be happy to give this a whirl at evens :)

padraig is hilarious and one of the true entertainers of live "tv" poker. ok maybe he has fell behind the way poker has changed but for people to attack his ability is ridic....did he not make the f/t of the 1999 wsop m/e....win a LNP series too...aswell as many other decent results, over $1.6 million in recorded live winnings is a great achievement.....whilst being totally pissed aswell lol.

  gl to him is all i say

Love listening to Padraig commentating, hilarious...bet his a scream to go out with..

LOL.

I'd give him 2/1 on beating 50NL. No doubt he's a nice guy, but he isn't good at poker.

He wanted to bet 10k at evens, I wouldn't have thought there's much chance u don't have a bet there mr greeky

Willing to halves with Alex on the bet. Not putting up 10k myself. Especially not the way Karl is skinting me atm.

However, I'd want to know that he's playing every single hand himself.