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Title: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 28, 2009, 10:06:05 PM gonna post this hand in stages, thoughts please.
Full (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206)Tilt (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206) Poker Game #11919240709: Table Tortilla - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:54:46 ET - 2009/04/28 Seat 1: Nussiiik ($5) Seat 2: seb17 ($14.14) Seat 3: Stirbnixx ($24.50) Seat 4: benjalob ($25) Seat 5: Dont_B_A_Hero ($25) Seat 6: AndrGL ($22.70) Seat 7: cmbf117 ($25.35) Seat 8: StageWhisper ($47.49) Seat 9: mmadlena ($15.71) Dont_B_A_Hero posts the small blind of $0.10 AndrGL has 5 seconds left to act AndrGL is sitting out cmbf117 posts the big blind of $0.25 AndrGL stands up 5 seconds left to act kiddyham89 sits down The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** my hole cards Tc Kc kiddyham89 adds $5 StageWhisper calls $0.25 mmadlena folds Nussiiik has 15 seconds left to act Nussiiik folds seb17 folds benjalob folds Dont_B_A_Hero calls $0.15 cmbf117 checks *** FLOP *** [Th 6c 2s] Dont_B_A_Hero bets $0.50 cmbf117 raises to $1.50 StageWhisper calls $1.50 Dont_B_A_Hero has 15 seconds left to act Dont_B_A_Hero has requested TIME Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 29, 2009, 07:39:56 AM I take it you are "Don't be a hero"?
If so; have a plan before leading out next time please. Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: daviebhoy on April 29, 2009, 09:55:15 AM I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position.
I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 29, 2009, 09:57:12 AM I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position. I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though. What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk) Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: outragous76 on April 29, 2009, 10:53:22 AM I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position. I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though. What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk) I dont think this is a fold yet. We are playing .1/.25! I would more likely out them on 9T or TJ and they are raising for 'info' at these levels! I think you have 2 reasonable options with a $25 stack - you can raise again here to find out if you are ahead - or you can flat and reassess and try and get to a show down! Not folding to this raise in this spot - ever. If he has 2 pair you have clean outs! He doesnt raise a set on that board. Not sure why you are frightend of 2pr on a really discombobulated board. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 29, 2009, 11:01:08 AM I take it you are "Don't be a hero"? If so; have a plan before leading out next time please. Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here. yes thats me, and who says i dont have a plan? its a semi interesting hand, dont know how often u play fr 25nl boldie but everyone is basically terrible , can be hard to get a read sometimes when ur playing a ton of tables at once but this is a situation that happens time and again when i donk into the flop and the bb raises he has 10x here most of the time the callers range is massive aswell just cos hes cold called the 3 bet means not that much at this level in my exp , could have 99 88 10x a6 almost anything -over cards even ill post rest of the hand later on Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 29, 2009, 11:02:02 AM I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position. I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though. What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk) I dont think this is a fold yet. We are playing .1/.25! I would more likely out them on 9T or TJ and they are raising for 'info' at these levels! I think you have 2 reasonable options with a $25 stack - you can raise again here to find out if you are ahead - or you can flat and reassess and try and get to a show down! Not folding to this raise in this spot - ever. If he has 2 pair you have clean outs! He doesnt raise a set on that board. Not sure why you are frightend of 2pr on a really discombobulated board. I agree, I don't raise to fold here...then again, I don't lead out here. I am also not concerned about 2 pair. I do think A10 is an option..and stagewhisper could very well have a set. My main concern here is shoving in 20-25% of my stack with K10, you're not all that likely to be ahead against 2 other players on this board. I am also not keen on playing a big pot out of position with this hand on this board, so re-raising (and likely to see them call or maybe even ship it in) doesn't quite work for me. I'm more than comfortable folding here. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 29, 2009, 11:05:20 AM I take it you are "Don't be a hero"? If so; have a plan before leading out next time please. Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here. yes thats me, and who says i dont have a plan? its a semi interesting hand, dont know how often u play fr 25nl boldie but everyone is basically terrible , can be hard to get a read sometimes when ur playing a ton of tables at once but this is a situation that happens time and again when i donk into the flop and the bb raises he has 10x here most of the time the callers range is massive aswell just cos hes cold called the 3 bet means not that much at this level in my exp , could have 99 88 10x a6 almost anything -over cards even ill post rest of the hand later on fair enough...and I never touch this level TBH (only on a crazy spin-up but then it's omaha). I do imagine most players would be terrible at this level...but surely you can find a better spot than this to get your chips in? If you're in position here I'd like the hand a lot more...but this hand on this board with the flop-action, doesn't do much for me. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 29, 2009, 09:07:15 PM Dont_B_A_Hero calls $1
*** TURN *** [Th 6c 2s] [7h] Dont_B_A_Hero checks cmbf117 bets $3.50 StageWhisper calls $3.50 Dont_B_A_Hero has 15 seconds left to act Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: daviebhoy on April 30, 2009, 03:14:56 AM It is practically impossible to define these two guys hands but you would think one of them has KT beat. I don't really want to be putting in most of my stack here on the river so prob fold now.
Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 30, 2009, 09:16:43 AM Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [Th 6c 2s 7h] [Ks] Dont_B_A_Hero checks cmbf117 checks StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act StageWhisper bets $10 Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: paulhouk03 on April 30, 2009, 09:22:50 AM deffo shove on river
i would never fold on the flop here coz its 25nl and i dont believe they have a high level of understanding in poker its a tricky spot on flop and turn Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: outragous76 on April 30, 2009, 09:58:54 AM Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50 *** RIVER *** [Th 6c 2s 7h] [Ks] Dont_B_A_Hero checks cmbf117 checks StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act StageWhisper bets $10 lol internet poker rocks - the card that kills you! You are obv never folding - but he has 22 or 66 I just call this spot Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 30, 2009, 10:38:57 AM Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50 *** RIVER *** [Th 6c 2s 7h] [Ks] Dont_B_A_Hero checks cmbf117 checks StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act StageWhisper bets $10 lol internet poker rocks - the card that kills you! You are obv never folding - but he has 22 or 66 I just call this spot after what you did on the flop and turn you can't possibly find a fold here...in fact, you might as well shove as you had already convinced yourself you were ahead, how can you be behind now? Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 30, 2009, 11:01:09 AM boldie you talk a power of shite on this forum, you spark up with some nonsense early doors, get spanked, then wait for some1 who has half a clue to post a theory then type "this"
its embarrasing how many times you do it from now on please do not comment on my pha threads anymore, your farcical analysis tilts me no end, im sure im not alone. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: boldie on April 30, 2009, 12:09:04 PM boldie you talk a power of shite on this forum, you spark up with some nonsense early doors, get spanked, then wait for some1 who has half a clue to post a theory then type "this" its embarrasing how many times you do it from now on please do not comment on my pha threads anymore, your farcical analysis tilts me no end, im sure im not alone. rotflmfao. you spew on the flop , on the turn and then I say "After what you did on the flop and the turn you can't possibly fold anymore" and you have a problem with that? I really believe you spewed soo bad in this it's unreal...but after you've done that there surely isn't even a question anymore on what to do on the river now that you hit? BTW...love how you think people who agree with you have "half a clue"...why post your hand up for "analysis" at all if you can only be bothered with people telling you you did a grand job. Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: StuartHopkin on April 30, 2009, 01:10:45 PM Lol
This thread just brightened up my lunch time! I dont agree with Boldie thats its a straight out fold on the flop but everything else makes perfect sense does it not? Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: outragous76 on April 30, 2009, 01:18:22 PM Boldie - i think the point with this hand is it is .1/.25.
Now I agree the lines throughout are marginal - but im not sure i find a fold on any street here at these levels! But shoving the end is an error here for me. I cant be bothered to work out how much is left behind - but the reality is you now beat any TP hand incl A10, but lose to everything else. This is a call for me in this spot Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: cambo on April 30, 2009, 02:53:33 PM boldie you talk a power of shite on this forum, you spark up with some nonsense early doors, get spanked, then wait for some1 who has half a clue to post a theory then type "this" its embarrasing how many times you do it from now on please do not comment on my pha threads anymore, your farcical analysis tilts me no end, im sure im not alone. rotflmfao. you spew on the flop , on the turn and then I say "After what you did on the flop and the turn you can't possibly fold anymore" and you have a problem with that? I really believe you spewed soo bad in this it's unreal...but after you've done that there surely isn't even a question anymore on what to do on the river now that you hit? BTW...love how you think people who agree with you have "half a clue"...why post your hand up for "analysis" at all if you can only be bothered with people telling you you did a grand job. first off LOL@ spewing on the flop this is never ever ever a fold on the flop, if you ever fold in that spot ur clearly not very good and would get completly run over even in 25nl on the turn when i check the bb bets out cos hed taken the lead in the hand on the flop and im now sure he has 10x, now he gets a caller , this is very marginal calling here hardly spewville the river is probably a mistake not 100% sure as i check shoved , should have just called anyway whisper snapped me off with 89 for the turned gutshot Title: Re: 25 nl full ring Post by: daviebhoy on April 30, 2009, 06:34:51 PM Agreed turn is marginal - with such a dry board you wouldn't expect both to hang around. I call on the river though hoping to be up against a very badly played big pair.
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