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PokerStars Game #28048691338:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/05/10 23:15:46 WET [2009/05/10 18:15:46 ET]
Table 'Astyanax VII' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mathwise ($57.20 in chips)
Seat 2: FiftieFiftie ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 3: yepwingtim ($75 in chips)
Seat 4: Graham0573 ($28.90 in chips)
Seat 5: vinniepooh ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 6: T_Laq436 ($52.10 in chips)
Seat 7: Bakenbard ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: lioniron ($52.05 in chips)
Seat 9: nicolinho42 ($56.45 in chips)
FiftieFiftie: posts small blind $0.25
yepwingtim: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [Qc Qh]
Graham0573: raises $1 to $1.50
vinniepooh: folds
T_Laq436: folds
Bakenbard: folds
Bakenbard leaves the table
lioniron: raises $1 to $2.50
phillme13 joins the table at seat #7
nicolinho42: calls $2.50
mathwise: raises $54.70 to $57.20 and is all-in
FiftieFiftie: folds
yepwingtim: folds
Graham0573:

Generally, are we calling here 100% of the time?

Any more info on the players involved?

If he's not a maniac I'd be worried that he has AA, as I've seen that play many times.

No no info, usual nitfest of full ring, nothing out of the ordinary

I don't hate a pass or a call but at NL50 i expect to see AK so much more in this spot than KK or AA.

Edit: didn't see this was 9-max rather than 6 which makes it a pass. At 6 max I think it's a call.

^^Agree with this, AK and JJ are possibilities and it could be some random donkey also...

JJ is a pass but QQ I call here...

Unless I know the guys a maniac I insta fold this.

Everyone thinks the average NL50 players are big donks that stick all their money in with trash, although there are tons of bad players n loads of places to get value I hardly ever see anyone get it in preflop at the micro's without AA/KK (Again this is unless the player is a crazy maniac burning chips then its obv an insta call.)

90% of the time when players make these massive over jams at this level they've got the goods and are just hoping for a call.

Either way it's extremely marginal, you've only put $1.50 in the pot, avoid the marginal decisions and concentrate on the easy money making spots. It'll tilt you less and allow you to play better poker for a longer amount of time which = more $$$$, than the stress of preflop cash game coinflips with fullstacks n getting suckered in my idiots jamming aces pre.

fuck cash games.

they are stupid.

im not saying your definetly wrong Benj, but if youre right, cash is just shit,

Stick to tourns Graham.

U're following me around an sabotaging my posts....lol.

I'm right here, it's a fold.

Poker is all about finding the weak spots and abusing them for profitability, like in tourns it's getting a big stack and 3betting guys and bullying (i think)

In small stakes cash games these are not the weak points, and getting it in preflop with the idea of flipping for the win most of the time just doesn't make sense at a cash game.

It can in a tourny because then you have a big stack and can bully and abuse it, in cash games stack sizes only really matter for implied odds on draws.

I mean if the guy is a maniac again by all means it's a weak spot and get it in, but if he is not it's a pretty easy fold for me.

Obv. if he's like a half stacker or less it's a call too, but for a full stack no way.

btw cash games are awesome :) gj on the switch graham

Either call and win or fold and top up rather than shortstacking.

christ, 9max cash is worse than playing limit imo. Also, my experience is that these ppl have no idea how to build pots and their overbets here are like AA 99% of the time, just praying u think they have AK.

Thanks for the replies some good replies, seems I should have folded - it was indeed AA, the other guy who min raised had KK so flopping a Q would have made for a nice pot. 

No choice but to short stack at the moment, I can't 6 table NL50 with a $180 $150 roll otherwise!  Would play 6 max usually but I've pissed tonnes of money away playing it so thought full ring would be good for the Stars promo.

DROP STAKES MATE!

Was having a sweat sesh with a mate of mine the other day. Has turned $400 into $150k in 3 years using a bankroll rule of 80 buyins. Playing on a short role makes you play sub optimally and your risk of ruin in todays much tougher games is ridiculously high.

Yeah I agree with this, there are tons of guys I've seen that play 1cent 2cent n build there roll and in a short period of time.NL2  NL10 are really profitable too, I've heard of people running 30bb/100 for their entire stay at those levels.

60xBB is not shortstacking, it's pissing money up the wall. if you're going to shortstack then do it with a shortstack, if not then buy in full

Move to tilt and get rakeback too. It'll help you build ur BR.

I wasn't playing them to build a roll, I was only playing them to get the Stars promo this month, I don't think I'll make the points playing any lower than this. 

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can you expand on his exact move up move down take shots strategy please, seems a big amount (80) to what ive read is standard of 20, 30, 40 buyins

80 is a pretty huge amount tbh, lots of people consider 20 to be fine for full ring which has less swings than HU and 6max. Though I think about 30 is fine.

My advice is when you are rolled and ready to move up play a few session at the level you are moving up to, and when you have about 5 or 6 winning sessions in a row then make the move full time.

For a full ring player less buy ins is ok but for a serious casual player I'd say 30-40 buy ins is ok.

If I was playing full time I would have at least 150 buy ins.

150 buy ins for cash?  7500 to play NL50?

If you're playing full time, then yes, as you'll probably be siphoning off some of your winnings to pay the essentials, and if you have a bad month or two, you're covered.

if you are learning the game on your way through the ranks, you will experience disgusting swings. Having a huge bankroll is so awesome. On a day to day basis 6 tabling 6max id guess ppl average between a 2-10 buyin win/loss. If your roll was 30 buyins, run cold while playing bad and ur busto in a weekend.

Just out of interest what level are you trying to get too on the promo? The points seem to build up pretty quick even at $25nl. Pokerstars deals hands pretty quick compared to most sites.

Just the platinum for next month.  I'm almost there, only 50 odd points to go, I may try NL25 for the rest of them.  I would go for the 1200 points to get the 60,000 VPP but I doubt very much I'll earn another 38,000 by the end of the year so it will be wasted.  Even if I do, I'd only get Supernova till Feb anyway.