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I have been a 'lurker' here for sometime, and have enjoyed the fruits of your tips occaisonally, but when ever i go freestyle on the horses (and I am an e/w better) I return absolutely nothing! I open up, gg.com, attheraces.com betfairs little preview of the race, I see the same names being favoured, so think yep... sit back and spend the winnings on the next race.... Extraterrestrial 8th!! When starting out in the world of horse racing what should I be looking out for? Any tips for tomorrows racing would be lovely as well!

Thanks

Lesson 1

You never actually win on the horses.

Lesson 2

The more races you gamble on the more likely you are to win

Lesson 3

Its the taking part that counts

Be prepared to put every single penny on the line, all or nothing...

Just ask Horneris. He works at SkyBet bets on shit for a living whilst at work, pretending to do stuff, but still gets a wage packet.

I think you have to study hard.

You have to grasp the form, using many key fundmentals, such as each horses effectiveness over: ground, distance, course, on the current mark.
You also sometimes have to take into account the draw, the handicap weight, jockey bookings, trainers form and history. & loads of other things.

Watching videos of horses past runs is also an effective tool.
You can do this on At The Races for free or on Racing Post webiste for 10p (Racing uks courses are not covered on At The Races video).

Its a good idea to take notes of horses in races and consider them for the future if something catches your eye. Not neccessarily the horses flashing home, because everyone notices that and the price on the next run is adjudged accordingly, things like the jockey not working too hard, or the bad draw being the factor in the bad run etc etc.

A system that i kinda like (altho systems are for mugs) is making a note of horses whove been gambled on and havent performend as they often win races in the next couple of starts. The webiste you can use to track horses and make notes of them using a Notebook is www.turftrax.com You can ask them to email you declarations of when your horses will run which is a fanastic feature. I have over 300 horses in there atm. And this is free.

Basically, you have to put shit loads of work in, often for little reward.

If im going to the races and i want to win a lot of money, i will expect to put in at least 5-6 hours of study for just 7 races, and im often only going to find 2 or 3 good bets.

Saying this, i think my edge on most people concerning betting on horses is my memory of horses and their runs. I watch pretty much every race in the UK and can usually remember horses previous performances well. If i go to York races and theres a 16 runner handicap over 5f, i am going to know most details on most horses.

Poker is easier anyway. Although not as much fun.

As for tips for tomorrow, ill see what i can do at around midday 2mo.

Good post BH, ill have to link a few of my friends to that. Maybe they might realise what work is required if you want to be a shrewd punter.

Excellent post from Brent "I am the real golden bollocks, just watch me back 50-1 shots" Horneris.

It's bloody hard graft backing horses.
It really helps if you can watch old races back ATR are superb for this...(youtube as well when it comes to big races). I Sky+ just about everything, I buy a racing post daily, read the RP website, sportinglife website etc. daily. I buy the Weekender, the Outlook and all that shit. I spend at least 2 hours a day studying and that's in preperation of something that might never come.
If I have a "feeling" a horse might win a race on Saturday I will start picking that race apart on Tuesday and it lasts all week...and even then you often find out that the field is decimated and your horse doesn't run in it....bye bye week.

i back horses that sound like the names of familly and friends

Whens 'Bolt qq' running?

I have faith in Horneris and Boldie for my horse bets

With horse racing there is so much relevent information that is just not in the public domain, and can seriously affect how a horse will run on any given day.

is the horse in good health, has it had a recent breathing operation, did it run badly last time for a reason?

I like to follow the betting market and if when the money is going down on a horse that should have little chance in a race there is probably a good reason for it.

That aside short of good inside information very very few people do well from horse racing

Thank you for the posts... I was hoping for 'stick with the funny names', as oposed to the graft that you guys seem to put in.

Basically my joy of the horses came from putting a £10 ew bet on Hennessy, when he won that cracker to take it at the post, about 2, 3 weeks ago! bringing home £120, which for myself were riches beyond belief. So when ATR and GG give you their top tips, my thinking was that they had done everything that Horneris had said for me already. Right, off to the shops to buy my racing post and get noting on next weeks races!


I have slowly but surely realised I do not have the patience for poker, and am waiting for the scandal to come out that its all actually fixed and 'Stan2k' didn't beat me with 6 4 when I had K K!

unfrotunately horse racing requires as much, if not more, patience.

One day I'll find something dead easy to make money at :D

I thought tennis was that after having a great start to the season...... Until the Williams sisters ruined me!!!

right... so heres my usual technique for my saturday at the races (watching channel 415) Open gg.com, attheraces and a selection of betting sites, 1.50 Newmarket, All sites give 'Merdaam' a good write up. In my mind all these sites think this horse can do it, guaranteed buxs!!!! £5 ew to to play it safe! 5.3 odds, good start to the day! lets see how this works out! (This is in no way a tip) =)
 

ok, Starting in the 2.00 at Thirsk for me.

I've had £20W on Santa's Pal @ 66s (still available) & £40W Lewyn @ 14s (12s best now).

These are not tips as such, i just think the prices are too big.

GL Stribling.

LOL what an ironic name for a horse punting site rotflmfao

TY, was on the place for Lewyn :)

Sorry yours didn't come in obv ;)

i'm on - Carrietau
3.20 Bangor

Best thing to do is rely on Boldie.....

That's what we pay him to do.... ;tightend;

Superb post from Brent

I wonder how many people, in the cold light of day are actually 'up' from Horse Racing?  Very very few i'd imagine...

Probs a similar % as are up from Poker, I'd say....actually Poker probably a slightly higher %...but there's probably not much in it.

There's a lot more mug poker players than mug bookies, poker def higher, well, I suppose Betfair has started to bring the gap a little closer...

Betfair has actually had the opposite effect. Betfair has resulted in all sports but especially horse racing being priced up more accurately than it ever was before.

My first job on leaving school was working for bookies on course. It cured me of gambling for a living. It is not enough to know the form of every horse, you need to know the form of every trainer ie. do they want the horse to win?

Do it for fun and then you wont hurt yourself or those around you

i have a lot of fun gambling but never on horses

There's no easy money in racing, same as anything else.
Find a couple of writers/tipsters you like and stick with them imo.
I find the guy that writes the SprintLine column in the Racing & Football Outlook very good...

Solis is a good thing at Musselburgh tomorrow imo

Well im sold, Im handing my notice in tomorrow and i'll see you boys down Towcester!! :)

Lol. Would his name be Chompster Wheldon by any chance?.......

This is a very good post, full of lots of pieces towards completing the jigsaw of becoming a winning punter.

But, imo Brent has missed the most important factor:

The shape of a race for betting purposes.

Betting each way in 8 or 9 runner races when there is a very short priced favouritem esp one which you can envisage getting beaten.. For example: Tonight at Leicester Steel Free opened around 8/15. He was wearing bandages which suggested he had delicate legs and his only previous run was with cut and tonight was on firmish ground. Added to this, his only run was in race which hadn't worked out form wise and he looked a vunerable fav at the price. By far the buggest danger was Zero Money who had form in the book and looked rock solid for a place so by betting him each way at 5/1 you were getting evens a place which mathmatically was outstanding and meant the win portion was free if indeed he placed.

Also, if you bet each way in handicaps with 12, 16 or 17 runners you often find bets which mathmatically give you value for money.

Don't be afraid to back horses as short as 2/1 each way.

Yes this is the most important factor, i made an error in leaving it out.

I find it difficult to get bad EW bets on tho Keith, which explains why i didnt allude to it as such.

It's always a good idea in theory is this but finding a bookmaker to lay you each-way about a second-fav behind a long odds-on shot is never easy.
It was probably easier back in the day when they bet 1/6 the odds in races containing an odds-on jobbie.
Is there any mileage in backing these place only on Betfair instead?

so many different factors go into picking a horse to win a race but the one thing i think should be done before you start to pick a horse is before studying the form at a particular course,have a think of what type of horse is needed to win that day,, check the going , is is a tough or easy course. if its heavy and its Plumpton or Towcestor look for horses with the form to run in these conditions .same with the firm especially on a easier course. after eliminating a lot of horses then its down to is it good enough to beat the rest and the price,

No mileage whatsoever.

That horse I highlighted yesterday was trading at 6.2-6.4 in the win market when it was 5/1. But in the place market at the same time it was 1.52-1.53. The fact you could get Evens a place with the bookies showed just what great value it was.

I know everyone says it is impossible getting on these horses, and to a certain extent that's true. But if you aren't greedy and spread your bets around a bit, you should still get a fair bit on.

And as the OP seems to be just starting out in this game, I assume he won't be betting more than say £50 each way, which you can get on very easily, especially if you aren't "known" as a winning punter.

 ;joestrummer;

Fixed my own post.......haven't backed a horse since tho

LOL

I read your post as you enjoyed all forms of betting except horse racing which you still bet on, just didn't enjoy it!

You are correct I wouldn't be putting £30 ew atm, my bankroll of £20.84 (I really need to get rid of the .84 in my account, really annoys me) doesn't really allow for interesting bets yet, slow and steady wins the race as they say (ironic for this topic really). Is it possible to do a horse accumulator ew, 4 horses to all place and return a decent amount? I have £20 to put a £10.42 ew bet on for tomorrow. Any interesting names for tomorrow? Thanks again for all the brilliant posts!

Yes it is. However, that is exactly the sort of bet bookies dream of. 20£ on one horse to win is infinitely more preferable to a 4 horse EW accy.