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Title: QQ late mtt Post by: Graham C on June 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM Don't have the HH anymore but this is bugging me.
Late comp, a few off the bubble of a 2k runner tourney. Blinds are fairly high, can't remember what but it's not that important. I think they were 800/1600/ante. We have 46k. Average was around 30k I think. Basically we're in great shape at the moment, winning this hand puts us 2nd in chips, but losing puts us in below average. Folds to cut off who shoves for 16k (he's quite short and it was expected) To my surprise the button shoves too for 26k. He's not played a hand for ages and has been waiting for a spot. I'm in the small blind with QQ and was looking forward to someone shoving, but the button shoving too I didn't expect. I didn't think he's doing this lightly as a) he's not played much at all, very tight player, b) we're close to the bubble so pointless playing tight to now then lumping in with rubbish and c) we're going to see his hand anyway. Is QQ ok to fold here or are we simply not passing at this stage? Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: GreekStein on June 04, 2009, 04:44:46 PM Put the blinds in OP.
I'm never ever passing here. Even a tight player is shoving 77/88/99/1010/JJ/AQ/AK vs a cut off jam here so folding QQ would be silly, especially as we should be playing to win the tournament not waiting for the bubble to burst. Ok sometimes he shows up with AA/KK here but you can't do anything but re-jam imo. Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: boldie on June 04, 2009, 05:27:53 PM if the tightest of tight players calls/over shoves I have no problem with folding here..I reckon you're behind often enough to justify that against tighty mctighttight.
Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: cambo on June 04, 2009, 10:08:27 PM if the tightest of tight players calls/over shoves I have no problem with folding here..I reckon you're behind often enough to justify that against tighty mctighttight. zzzz this is a call always Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: silverslick on June 04, 2009, 10:26:31 PM If you are playing to win shove. Tight player knows the short stack has a wide range so should be callinig lighter. What did you do and what happened?
Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: AlexMartin on June 04, 2009, 10:53:00 PM Put the blinds in OP. I'm never ever passing here. Even a tight player is shoving 77/88/99/1010/JJ/AQ/AK vs a cut off jam here so folding QQ would be silly, especially as we should be playing to win the tournament not waiting for the bubble to burst. Ok sometimes he shows up with AA/KK here but you can't do anything but re-jam imo. +1 folding is burning money. Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: Graham C on June 04, 2009, 10:54:36 PM The shove from the tight player really was unexpected. He could have done this before now but hadn't played a single hand for ages so I put him on something decent that I could have been ahead of but AK at least. I did end up folding and was shown AJ (shorty) and AK (tight player).
Rather annoyingly the QQ would have won the pot. Next time, I'll get them in and quit fussing. I'm losing my nittyness slowly! Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: Royal Flush on June 04, 2009, 11:30:38 PM wow my hand would be in the ceiling fan here.
Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: MC on June 05, 2009, 12:12:30 AM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in!
(answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: Royal Flush on June 05, 2009, 01:12:59 AM Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: GreekStein on June 05, 2009, 09:30:19 AM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: EvilPie on June 05, 2009, 11:02:04 AM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Something against 99? You big nit!!!! Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: GreekStein on June 05, 2009, 11:05:50 AM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Something against 99? You big nit!!!! No-one calls me a nit. no-one! Fight in the car park outside DTD on saturday?! I probably Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: MC on June 05, 2009, 01:01:21 PM if the tightest of tight players calls/over shoves I have no problem with folding here..I reckon you're behind often enough to justify that against tighty mctighttight. Applying this theory, but to Jacks. So much less likely to scoop both pots with JJ which is something to consider? Not saying it's a definite fold with JJ, but if that had been the OP I wouldn't have had a problem with it. If Silo passed QQ then I'm not rating JJ that highly here... Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: EvilPie on June 05, 2009, 01:04:11 PM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Something against 99? You big nit!!!! No-one calls me a nit. no-one! Fight in the car park outside DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) on saturday?! I probably Sorry Cos I promise I won't do it again. Please don't hit me. I bruise easily. Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: EvilPie on June 05, 2009, 01:11:55 PM I'm never ever passing here. Even a tight player is shoving 77/88/99/1010/JJ/AQ/AK vs a cut off jam here so folding QQ would be silly, especially as we should be playing to win the tournament not waiting for the bubble to burst. Ok sometimes he shows up with AA/KK here but you can't do anything but re-jam imo. Perfect explanation for the re jam. Another reason is your stack size. You've got 46k now and there's about 45k in the middle. If you call and win you're on 91k and in with a great chance of taking the tournament down. If you lose you're still on 20k and in certainly not in a desperate situation. Upside 91k, downside 20k. QQ can never be a pass in this situation. Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: StuartHopkin on June 05, 2009, 04:55:25 PM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Something against 99? You big nit!!!! No-one calls me a nit. no-one! Fight in the car park outside DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) on saturday?! I probably Sorry Cos I promise I won't do it again. Please don't hit me. I bruise easily. Book open Cos 5/6 Evils 3/1 Must be clean knock out or death by chocolate Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: DUNK619 on June 05, 2009, 04:59:04 PM You can muck Jacks in this spot, but Queens are just too strong, ship it in! (answer would have been the same pre-reveal!) I'm snapping 1010 and JJ too Something against 99? You big nit!!!! No-one calls me a nit. no-one! Fight in the car park outside DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) on saturday?! I probably Sorry Cos I promise I won't do it again. Please don't hit me. I bruise easily. Book open Cos 5/6 Evils 3/1 Must be clean knock out or death by chocolate Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: GreekStein on June 05, 2009, 05:07:25 PM I might be older than him but my ridiculous raw physical power and ridiculously amazing fighting techniques won't help him.
Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: George2Loose on June 05, 2009, 05:13:44 PM I might be older than him but my ridiculous raw physical power and ridiculously amazing fighting techniques won't help him. 20k on Matt pls Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: GreekStein on June 05, 2009, 05:18:07 PM I might be older than him but my ridiculous raw physical power and ridiculously amazing fighting techniques won't help him. 20k on Matt pls Booked. Matt - pm sent ;) Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: EvilPie on June 05, 2009, 05:38:11 PM George.
Any advance on 12k? Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: Graham C on June 06, 2009, 12:15:57 AM I'm never ever passing here. Even a tight player is shoving 77/88/99/1010/JJ/AQ/AK vs a cut off jam here so folding QQ would be silly, especially as we should be playing to win the tournament not waiting for the bubble to burst. Ok sometimes he shows up with AA/KK here but you can't do anything but re-jam imo. Perfect explanation for the re jam. Another reason is your stack size. You've got 46k now and there's about 45k in the middle. If you call and win you're on 91k and in with a great chance of taking the tournament down. If you lose you're still on 20k and in certainly not in a desperate situation. Upside 91k, downside 20k. QQ can never be a pass in this situation. On reflection, this post is ftw imo.. I've been trying to pursude myself that my reasoning was ok but the fact that's it's a rejam doesn't suggest that I'm a million miles behind. Hopefully have learned from this £bankroll (small) on Matt in the fight please :D Title: Re: QQ late mtt Post by: ALASKAN5IVE on June 08, 2009, 04:20:44 AM why would u ever consider folding? you know the purpose of an MTT is to win all the chips and in this scenario you have most of the time been given two player's full stacks - one hand in the air rejam and keep your hand in the air till all the mad dimez are passed to your stack yo
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