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Okay, so William (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1430) Martin (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1430), who's opinion I respect, felt I made the wrong decision on this hand from the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) £1k last week so thought I'd throw it out there.

Apologies for the sketchy details.

We have ~360k
Villain has ~120k

We are 6 or 7 handed (I forget which), 19 left, 18 paid.

There are a few smaller stacks still in, so villain isn't much at risk of bubbling in this way....

We have been pretty active raising pots, sometimes to resistance, sometimes not. We pick up QQ in the hijack or the cutoff and make our standard raise (I'm assuming 2500/5000 (500) blinds) to 13k. Villain is in the big blind, and literally says "I'm all-in" as soon as he looks at his cards. No real reads, except that he hasn't messed around too much and seems solid enough. However he's not a rock or anything, has been happy to play QJ, AT type hands from any position and stuff like that...

What do we do now?

Does the bubble dynamic affect our decision?

What does his insta-shove mean?

turbo fistpump tip dealer snap call

Eh?

Obv its a snap, what did he say?

call please.

fold he obv has AA

AK innit

snap snappity, anything else is ridiculous.

slowrolling is for wankers. your not a wanker.

Lol...

I did literally snap call, there may have been a 3 second pause where I thought "I'm only going to end up calling if I dwell up here so I might as well call now".

Villain had Aces, as George already knew so don't give his post any credit lol.

Martin said I should have thought about it more, and considered that he wouldn't be shoving unless uber-strong. Martin said "Kings?" when I snapped and Villain flipped his Aces, seem v.surprised I only had Queens and the next day in a break he said I'd made a "crucial mistake" in that hand.

Pleased to hear everyone else snaps...

and then ask for the tip back when villain shows aces

lol yeah

Ha played with that guy once i said he was terrible someone said nah he is quite good so i thought ok maybe just having an off day. Looks like i was right the first time.

If you've been pretty active raising pots in this game...and here you are raising again...6-handed...in late position...on the bubble...with chips...Why does villain need to be uber-strong to shove?? I think the reality is that villain would consider it is YOU who needs to be uber-strong to call...not that he has to be uber-strong to make the move. If good players at the table feel that villain MUST have A-A in this spot it only adds credibility to villain's shove with weaker hands. And your appreciation of that fact only adds credibility to your call.

the first 8 words were enough for me

Ha we are agreed then?

Am I the only one who thinks the AA shove is awful?

Why do you not want to try and double up on the bubble with AA rather than try to get QQ to fold a worse hand?

Because the guy is placing greater emphasis on making the money rather than winning the tournament. The speed with which he pushes without considering his options vs an oppo with a wide range tells you what his motivation is. The snap-shove isn't awful if his life depends on cashing or he reads his oppo for real strength. I don't suppose either was true here. Any player wanting to hit the final table running can push wide here to exploit hero's wide range and the bubble situation, and that's why calling with Q-Q can never be considered a "crucial mistake".

^Yeah Mantis has it right. His insta-shove is never Aces usually, and part of the reason I snap called so quick, but he actually said to me when I called "I would have been happy with the money that was in the middle"

I played with Martin for 14 hours+ Flushy, he seemed like a v.good player to me, perhaps his incorrect analysis of this hand was just a case of being results orientated as he knows the guy had Aces.

   The villain in this hand had to have AA imo as i played with him on several tables and he wasnt getting his chips in the middle in any bad positions not all of them anyway.Your play also was in a high gear and having a raise with a wide variety of hands.Villain played an exceptional game and you should of folded.I think the loosing a big pot a few hands before this made your call a quick decision and you didnt read the player well.

lol, just lol...

This is the big pot you are referring to btw. I hadn't lost a big pot in the prelude to this hand.

If villain sat there for 2 hours without playing a hand, talking about how much he needed the money, you could say with some credibility that hero should have folded. But hero describes villain as a regular player happy to get involved with various hands from different positions. You see it's impossible to say hero raises with a wide variety of hands at this table...and then say villain is a player who gets his chips in the middle in good spots...and in the same breath say villain can only have A-A here. If villain only has A-A here then villain is a bad player imo. Because if hero has a wide range then villain doesn't need A-A to be pushing his chips into a good spot. If he had J-J he would generally be pushing his chips into a good spot. The most important thing is that hero's call with Q-Q shows the heart needed to win a tournament whereas villain's push with A-A does not.

What did he do good?

he got his money in when he had the best of it, protected it when he didnt.  he didnt give anything away.

Your my hero

Lol.  OK, so that might not pass the shrewdie entrance exam, but it could easily be good enough to give him a decent edge to the field.

I have just realised the way I've written this out have people may have assumed Martin was the villain. That's not the case, he was just an observer! Sorry if I misled.

Flushy, I dunno man, just the impression I gained of his general play. No one hand I can think of, but he seemed good at being selectively aggressive and things...

this could be the high point of my life.

also, where is the godard gallery in vegas, ready to do some srs mad ones in there.

Miracle Mile at Planet Hollywood, if you go there ask them where the fuck my burning blackjack is, they only sent me burning it up.