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Title: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Boba Fett on June 12, 2009, 06:08:01 PM This isnt my hand but a friends hand we have been discussing. Thought Id post it here for further opinion. This is stars 50 rebuy 16 left, I think at this point hero and villain are both top 3 in chips. Last hand hero won a big pot and is now on the button, villian in BB has been aggressive and has shown he can 3 bet light........
9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: (110775 in chips) Seat 2: (39752 in chips) Seat 3: (74542 in chips) Seat 5: HERO (195263 in chips) Seat 6: (149888 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind) Seat 7: (38244 in chips) Seat 8: VILLAIN (248597 in chips) Seat 9: (128944 in chips) Seat 1: posts the ante 300 Seat 2: posts the ante 300 Seat 3: posts the ante 300 HERO: posts the ante 300 Seat 7: posts the ante 300 Villain: posts the ante 300 Seat 9: posts the ante 300 Seat 7: posts small blind 1500 VILLAIN: posts big blind 3000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [As Qd] FOLDED TO HERO HERO: raises 4500 to 7500 SB: folds VILLAIN: raises 16350 to 23850 HERO: raises 42150 to 66000 VILLAIN: raises 182297 to 248297 and is all-in Based on the info given, would like to know what you think of the Hero's 4bet and 4 bet amount. And then when the villain 5 bet shoves, what range do we have him on here and do we call or fold? Would anyone play the hand any differently until this point? Thanks Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Boba Fett on June 12, 2009, 06:14:12 PM Supposed to be in Hand Analysis forum if a mod would be so kind to ship it over
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: boldie on June 12, 2009, 07:50:06 PM I'm weak so I flat his 3 bet.
Hero has to have a plan when he 4 bets. Slightly less would have been OK but his bet size only makes sense when he snap-calls any jam. You should never be ahead here though so I fold. Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: George2Loose on June 12, 2009, 08:08:07 PM Spewy line imo but I don't really like the call pre oop either
As we're so deep perhaps fold to the 3 bet. Really depends on history I think Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Royal Flush on June 12, 2009, 08:27:40 PM Impossible to answer without knowing the dynamic obv 4 betting to fold is terrible with AQ.
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: MC on June 12, 2009, 11:27:58 PM Impossible to answer without knowing the dynamic obv 4 betting to fold is terrible with AQ. ^^Yeah effectively the plan if we 4 bet is to call a shove so we have to call Fold to the 3 bet is fine unless this guy has been 3betting us a lot... Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Royal Flush on June 12, 2009, 11:34:12 PM Fold to the 3 bet is fine unless this guy has been 3betting us a lot... lol what, folding to a 3bet is terrible! Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: MC on June 12, 2009, 11:43:51 PM Deep, against a guy who can damage our chip stack oop, I don't think it's a hand to go crazy with
Thinking about it though, you're right, folding to a 3bet is ridiculously weak, I guess a flat is fine here? Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: celtic on June 12, 2009, 11:46:09 PM Deep, against a guy who can damage our chip stack oop, I don't think it's a hand to go crazy with Thinking about it though, you're right, folding to a 3bet is ridiculously weak, I guess a flat is fine here? Hero is on the button.. Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: MC on June 12, 2009, 11:49:16 PM Deep, against a guy who can damage our chip stack oop, I don't think it's a hand to go crazy with Thinking about it though, you're right, folding to a 3bet is ridiculously weak, I guess a flat is fine here? Hero is on the button.. Then lol @ me suggesting folding... Flatting the 3bet in position looks good to me then... Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: salfi on June 13, 2009, 04:45:24 AM boo hoo spot . get it in suck out then fist pump. easy game
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Boba Fett on June 13, 2009, 12:40:15 PM So what range are we puttinng the villain on here?
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: salfi on June 13, 2009, 04:03:43 PM no idea cant see his stats. if he a winner depends what your stats are. im guessin u all the usual vpip stuff so giving him a decent range and the fact its so top heavy means he shud 3bet then 5bet donk wider then aa/kk im prob giving him 88 plus aj and 89 suited for shaundeeb reasons :) its a spot to gamble imo. playinto win foldings bad . if shaundeeb ever folds in this spot ide be very surprised regardless of villians stats .
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: AlexMartin on June 16, 2009, 03:24:41 AM ugh, with a dynamic of 3betting this is a sweet spot and the 4b sizing is perfect to induce 5b jams. without history i think flatting his 3b is prolly optimal, i dont see ppl stacking 70bb 8handed with a range that has AQ in good shape.
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: Boba Fett on June 16, 2009, 09:13:36 AM ugh, with a dynamic of 3betting this is a sweet spot and the 4b sizing is perfect to induce 5b jams. without history i think flatting his 3b is prolly optimal, i dont see ppl stacking 70bb 8handed with a range that has AQ in good shape. This is what I thought, calling a 5 bet jam for 70BBs usually AQ would be crushed? If so, do we flat the 3 bet and play post flop in position putting the villain on a wider range or can we 4 bet/fold leaving a playable 30bbs behind?I know 4 bet/folding is terrible but surely we cant just get it in to the 5b shove purely because we 4 bet as we are usually facing the top of his range here? Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: AlexMartin on June 16, 2009, 02:51:44 PM yer, 100% flat the 3b. decent pot to stack ratio, position plus a relatively underepped hand.
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: pez102 on June 18, 2009, 07:04:39 PM 4bet folding is real bad, and your 4bet is way to big if your trying to induce a 5bet jam.
Title: Re: Stars $50r hand 16 players left Post by: salfi on June 30, 2009, 05:39:12 PM flattin. tut tut tut
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