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deals

as i have said in the past,on another forum, i don't like doing deals.poker is a mans game and you pay your money you take your chance

one thing that really pizzes me off though is bubble time.then someone suggests we all skim a bit off the top for the next man out.not that its gonna make a lot of difference the odd £50 or £100.well i think it does

i feel this gives the short stack a lifeline, e.g. when the average is 80k and the chip bitch is on say 10k,here's how the demographics change...from sitting there waiting for an half decent hand,he will now chuck them in and hope to get lucky.safe in the knowledge hes gonna get paid anyhow.

last Wednesday at Bolton their were 3 such short stacks when we hit the final.I'm sat there with 256k and the three shorts had less than 20k.9 on the final and 6 get payed.sure enough it was shall we take £150 off the top places and pay the next three out.....does my head in.one of them finished 3rd.these were cannon fodder at the outset,how soon things change

or am i just being a git

err, say no to the deal/saver then if you don't like them

Deals are beautiful because.... If you don't want to do one, you don't have to.

;ne;

i love having a deal.....cos it means i have made the money....

How do people generally take it if one person doesn't want to do a deal and the others do?

I've always just said "OK, I'll go with the flow" but a couple of times I wasn't that keen but kept my mouth shout as was a bit embarressed to be the only one who didn't want to deal.

i enjoy making enemies at the table, however, when say there are six of you left, and you make your self public enemy number 1.........it ain't good.there must be a better way

 >:(

i like getting under people's skin.make half the table friends and half enemies. making them all hate you is not good for your game.i dunno maybe a secret ballot?

I hate making enemies, anywhere.

yes behave better and improve your etiquette.

Yup. First face their direction......

poker ain't about the cards boys, its all psychology. its the way i do it.it works for me.as for making enemies, only the ones who have less etiquette than me.but this is about deals

The saver for the shortie on the bubble just wrecks the bubble dynamics obv. I think no deals is obviously a purer form of tournament poker but managing the situation deal wise is just another skill that needs to be learnt to maximise your ev. Deals aren't something that will be removed from the game.

Great, balanced, Post. When Deals are Tabled, handling the situation to your advantage is a skill players need to master. And it's not difficult.

For me it depends on the tournie and the make up of the final table. TBH I don't care and always suggest the deal if I am chip leader. The table tends to love you when you do.....a bit of reverse psychology

I dont mind doing deals if it's right for me, but I will never ever do a saver for the bubble even though this normally makes me the tournament arsehole.

as i said, doing a saver for the bubble usually gives he/she the relaxed posture, I'm all in, i have my money back now. they do it a couple of times and they are back in the game. some play for first place, some do it to make a living. i like my name at the top. i played the £300 f/o at DTD last year, had a mate on the final table (Brian) who finished 3rd. when their were three of us left, even in chips, we could have dealt, it never entered my mind. i placed second, and at no time was a deal muted. Craig or Chris Bruce won it. fair play to him.
its a 230mile round trip for me to DTD, one of the reasons i have only been 4 times. on the 1st visit i got into an argument with Simon trumper. after visiting the little boys room, i came back and was asked if i would like to deal. having been told this was the only UK venue that's does no deals, i got a bit irate, i had a couple of drinks, was second in chips, had it explained by all it was in my best interest. £1200 was the offer, to cut a long story, i walked away with £320 after refusing the deal. and yes they explained it was a chip count, not a deal. deal, chip count, its all the same to me. squeaky bum time. yes the whole table took turns to get rid of me, yes i lost out on £900 sheets, yes it stung a little, but hey, its in my nature

i think deals r only useful on occasions wher the amount on offer is a life changing amount to the deal makers, for example bink an EPT seat on stars and make the final table, its prolly guna b big money to that person, other than these rare occasions i dont think they are necessary and takeaway the competitive aspect of the final table, which is one of the most enjoyable times of tourneys imo.

Ok, would like opinions on a few deal situations that occured this weekend...

Comp is a £550 affair, 95 runners, 10 paid. There are 13 left, have been for the last hour. I'm probably 8/13. A deal is proposed by the other table remaining to take £500 off the top three spots (16.5/8.5/6.2) and pay 11th-13th to help speed things up. Given my current position i have no problem with this, however i know for a fact that on the table that has proposed the deal a friend of mine is sitting there with <3bbs. The table obv haven't taken note of this,i have. He's staying quiet as a mouse, so did I. Should I?

Later on, same comp. When six handed we had smoothed the payout structure to the following. 1st: 14,000, 2nd 7980, 3rd-6th 4500. We're 4 handed at 10k/20k/2k. 1.4mil total in play. In 15 mins blinds will go 20/40/4k. I have 290k and am 3/4, it's obv that the other three want to deal and not play it out. I feel i'm the best player at the table although i've got the 2nd best player and big stack to my left. There is approx £31k in the pot left to play for, we're now kinda playing a satellite. If we deal right  now i guess i'd get 7k, if i bust i get 4.5k. If i can double through i can either leverage a good deal for around 10k of the prize pool that will remain or play it out and go ftw. I thought the best way to play this (allbeit with <15bbs) was to try and increase my stack in the last 15 mins of this level to try and either get it 3 handed or at least improve my stack to get a better deal, as if we were still four handed at 20k/40k it'd been stupid and i'd have been forced to deal regardless of my stack.

Thoughts please.

Should you what? Inform this room of strangers that your buddy is down to the felt and will be gone soon so hold fire with the savers. Nah dude, I don't think you should do that.

If you dont want to deal, just say no thanks, no need to make enemies.

If I'm short and a saver is offered, I generally say when asked that obviously I don't mind, but it's not for me to decide because I'm probably next out anyway.  If I'm chipped up, I just tend to agree if others want to do a saver.  I never have started the conversation off about it.

For Dino's second example, If it's down to the last few and I'm short (not that it's happened) I wouldn't deal for anything less than a pretty equal pay out between all players, I'd ask for more than my chip counts worth because a double up and we're right back in the mix.

before you get the wrong impression,i take peoples blinds,re raise weak players, bully, dictate, have banter, etc. some people  take it more personal than others. on Saturday at DTD, after raising this guys blind for the third time in a row, he intimated that if i did it again, he was all in with any two cards. my work here is done, i had him where i wanted. the next round i raised again, he lied, and folded like a pussy, but did become more abusive. prolonged glares and so on. he eventually took me out of the comp, good for him, i never loose composure at the table. so please don't get the wrong idea, i really would take my granny out if i could, with a smile on my face. poker is a game were we all have an equal start/chance, some have more chance than others.

I don't think I've got the wrong impression.....


Next time you're at DTD, come and say hello  ;)

I've been asked about a deal twice.

1. When I was heads up and my opponent was comfortably ahead of me - but was getting a bit bored
I said no because I wanted the HU practice

2. When I was chip leader when the final table started and there was a suggestion for a saver.
I really wanted someone else to veto it, but one of the table insisted I should give my opinion first as it wasn't worth carrying on the discussion if the chip leader was against it.

I said no, which annoyed one of the locals who proceeded to outplay me for the whole of the final.

I don't know for sure how different that would have been if I hadn't been so anti deal/saver but on both occasions deals haven't really worked out for me in one way or another.

I would be more than happy for every venue to ban deals and savers -  or even just savers, I am very uncomfortable being in either situation.

and some have more class

I did a deal on Sunday - heads up - first got £1800 second got £1000, I was chip leader but opponent was drunkity drunk drunk and tired and a bit of a loose cannon. He suggested a deal, taking £200 off the top, I was happy to agree and take £1600. Worth £200 to avoid a ridic outdraw and only get £1000 imo.

As for savers, often suggested at Luton - it's that sort of a card room where people empathise and know how disheartening it is to be on the final table and walk away with nothing. Nothing wrong with it, if all agree.

As for taking out your own granny, well each their own, but I would happily loose a game of poker to my Granny if it made her smile.

Being the best player here is pretty irrelevant. There's only 70 bbs in play between 4 of you and in 15 minutes there's gonna be 35.

Personally in this situation I would take a gamble and go for the lot. 1 double up and you're CL, lose and you get £4.5k anyway.

If everyone really wants to deal then I'd ask for 1/4 of the total pot even though I had less than a quarter of the chips. At this stage stacks are largely irrelevant and people haggling for an extra grand because they've got 5 bbs more than you is ridiculous. It simply doesn't mean that much when the blinds go stupid.

Equal split or play to the death for me.

red dog, you were on my table saturday, you came in to seat 9 i was seat 2, you nicked my bb twice, the second time showing AK. if you noticed, i did not bat an eyelid, thats class.

no that is basic ability....one should not mix the two

Blimey, I was on about 8 different tables on Saturday, they moved me every 5 minutes. Which table was it?

Mind you, I never nick anyones blinds, you must have me confused with someone else.

Blinds, never, but a sneaky sausage from a mixed grill??

Tbf Ding in most local cardrooms people want savers because they don't know where the buy-in is coming from for the following night's tournament yet.

In luton is usually to do with desperate blondes wanting to bag league points!

shh....don't tell everyone

dunno the table number? at the front of the the payout desk, i was the good looking SOB in the white shirt.seat 5 took me out with 77 v 5A.he took his time asked if i wanted a call, thought he was having a baby. normally play the £100 @ bpool, i've seen you there a few times with tk

smatiass you must be so classy. maybe you could teach me some manners

He is, and he could.

i am willing to learn off anyone, rocket scientist or idiot

;tightend;

[  ] This thread is doing you a lot of favours mr bigus.


I'm an idiot, HU cash?

Damn, that rules me out, I am somewhere in between.

you sure are Kev!

Long time since we had someone this loud gobby on the forum..  LOL..

dunno - DBC not been gone long!

Cos.

Odds for ban before the end of the week?

Is he gone? LOL

Sure is.

An adequate length of rope was provided, & he did the rest.

You're guaranteed £4.5k, and if you do a deal, you're probably getting £7k. If I was in your position, and I wanted to continue at that point on, and I doubled up, I would just go for the win. I don't think I would risk going for the double up, and once I have it, accept a deal. So it's either deal now, or go for the win. Also, I am probably looking at this focussing too much on the remaining players, but I reckon you could have dominated that table. (Hopes we are talking about the same tournament...)

Do you really think so?

I have no idea who any of the 4 players were but if you put Phil Ivey against 3 numptys he's going to struggle to dominate with these blinds.

There's only 70 bbs in play between 4 players. In 15 minutes they're on an average of <10bbs each.

Any edge is almost completely wiped out so it's down to whether you fancy a gamble.

i'll make one more post, if i can find it. if the forum opinion continues, i will resign with pleasure.public opinion/democracy and all that, i can take a hint

Noooooooooooooooo.

Everyone can handle it so just carry on. If you get out of hand you'll get banned anyway so there's no need to leave of your own accord.

As long as you don't mind getting a bit of stick for your outlandish posts you'll be fine.

ty, then look for the next one.not quite sure where to post it yet?

There is an ideal part of blonde that REQUIRES you to be argumentative and abusive.!!  try the RSQ quiz which can be found on the Lounge forum.  Reveal night ..  !!  Come on Monday..  LOL

Yeah we're talking about the same tournment. Evilpie is right though in that it's hard, if not quite impossible to outplay people or dominate with the high blinds and shallow stacks.

4/6.

Not sure whether to cap the bet amount though.

If I let you have a big bet I can pay the guy to stfu for a bit but if he gets banned anyway you're too big for me to grim you.

I watched around about 40 mins to an hour or so (Was drinking/come back from some bars, so was a bit off it) just before the deal happened between 3 of them, and it appeared as if some of them were playing with scared money. OK, I know that the difference between £16k and £4.5k is pretty huge, but I reckon atleast 2 of the guys were just sitting their waiting for hands or atleast mediocre Ace's. With the blinds being so huge relative to chip stacks, it obviously would have been difficult, but I reckon there was some scope for some bullying!

Anyways, well played to get so far anyways Dino, gutted you didn't win!

I suggest the mods forum?

 ;D