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Title: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 18, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
The person in BB is an aggressive player.  I have 5710 and BB has 6,500. Blinds are 120 and 60.

I am next to the small blind and I have  QQ I raise to 300 everyone folds to BB and he does all in.  I fold - should I have taken the chance and called.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2009, 09:18:15 PM
Excuse me?


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: cambo on June 18, 2009, 09:34:48 PM
The person in BB is an aggressive player.  I have 5710 and BB has 6,500. Blinds are 120 and 60.

I am next to the small blind and I have  QQ I raise to 300 everyone folds to BB and he does all in.  I fold - should I have taken the chance and called.

surely no lol


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Colchester Kev on June 18, 2009, 09:44:08 PM
Guys, the OP is a poker novice, pretty new to the game.

The comp in question is a 1200 runner $10 comp on blonde .. those of you that follow the threads in the rail will know that this comp is a minefield because of the standard of play.

Please factor the above in when wording a reply.


Thanks


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 18, 2009, 11:20:33 PM
I apologise if I seem thick but had trouble with this person for quite a few hands - he was aggressive all through and I kept folding good hands to him.  I wonder sometimes if I should take more chances but didn't want to put myself out of the tournament early in the game. If it was KK or AA I would have called or AK but for some reason I am wary of QQ. I just wanted to know what most people would do. Thanks


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: booder on June 18, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
so you would call with Ace high but not a pair of Queens ?   If this is the ipoker  10k then i snap here   esp if the aforementioned aggressive guy is French


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 18, 2009, 11:50:50 PM
This tournament has 1,200 runners so you will be required to take a number of chances multiple times if you hope to fair well. Given the relatively low entry fee and the aggressive nature of your opponent you have a realistic expectation of holding the best hand. This not wanting to go out emotion is a weakness that can be exploited by aggressive players, as in this hand, and it will lead to weak exploitable poker. Calling and felting the guy who's been beating you down is what makes poker good and it is also strategically correct.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: mondatoo on June 18, 2009, 11:56:44 PM
so you would call with Ace high but not a pair of Queens ?   If this is any comp i snap here   esp if the aforementioned aggressive guy is French

FYP,plz don't ever fold here.Obviously this is a genuine request for analysis so anyone who puts sarcastic comments is just a knob as it's not the expert hand analysis board,i just don't see why you would fold in this spot against aggro oppo his range is made up off a lot more hands than just those that beat you;77+,AJ+ and tbf his range is probably wider than this.The times when you are behind it's just a cooler but please don't ever fold in this spot again,and gl at the tables


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 19, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
so you would call with Ace high but not a pair of Queens ?   If this is any comp i snap here   esp if the aforementioned aggressive guy is French

FYP,plz don't ever fold here.Obviously this is a genuine request for analysis so anyone who puts sarcastic comments is just a knob as it's not the expert hand analysis board,i just don't see why you would fold in this spot against aggro oppo his range is made up off a lot more hands than just those that beat you;77+,AJ+ and tbf his range is probably wider than this.The times when you are behind it's just a cooler but please don't ever fold in this spot again,and gl at the tables

Thanks for clear reply.  Firstly I think I posted on the wrong board it should have been the learning centre. Secondly, I don't know where the player was from but what put me off this time was that when anyone took the chance on him, he won the pot that is what made me so cautious.  I do often take chances but for some reason this person did make me feel intimidated and was so pleased when I moved tables.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: mondatoo on June 19, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
so you would call with Ace high but not a pair of Queens ?   If this is any comp i snap here   esp if the aforementioned aggressive guy is French

FYP,plz don't ever fold here.Obviously this is a genuine request for analysis so anyone who puts sarcastic comments is just a knob as it's not the expert hand analysis board,i just don't see why you would fold in this spot against aggro oppo his range is made up off a lot more hands than just those that beat you;77+,AJ+ and tbf his range is probably wider than this.The times when you are behind it's just a cooler but please don't ever fold in this spot again,and gl at the tables

Thanks for clear reply.  Firstly I think I posted on the wrong board it should have been the learning centre. Secondly, I don't know where the player was from but what put me off this time was that when anyone took the chance on him, he won the pot that is what made me so cautious.  I do often take chances but for some reason this person did make me feel intimidated and was so pleased when I moved tables.

You need to stop having that mindset;i.e i don't want to play against him because he keeps winning all the time.You are most likely 70/30 or even 80/20 % to win this hand so you shouldn't ever be folding here in this spot.I'm not saying you can't ever fold QQ pre flop but in this spot you literally can't ever fold it


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2009, 02:21:42 AM
This tournament has 1,200 runners so you will be required to take a number of chances multiple times if you hope to fair well. Given the relatively low entry fee and the aggressive nature of your opponent you have a realistic expectation of holding the best hand. This not wanting to go out emotion is a weakness that can be exploited by aggressive players, as in this hand, and it will lead to weak exploitable poker. Calling and felting the guy who's been beating you down is what makes poker good and it is also strategically correct.

Call.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Bongo on June 19, 2009, 03:06:36 AM
I apologise if I seem thick but had trouble with this person for quite a few hands - he was aggressive all through and I kept folding good hands to him.

If he keeps raising you and you keep folding how do you think he sees you?


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: AlexMartin on June 19, 2009, 03:43:34 AM
This tournament has 1,200 runners so you will be required to take a number of chances multiple times if you hope to fair well. Given the relatively low entry fee and the aggressive nature of your opponent you have a realistic expectation of holding the best hand. This not wanting to go out emotion is a weakness that can be exploited by aggressive players, as in this hand, and it will lead to weak exploitable poker. Calling and felting the guy who's been beating you down is what makes poker good and it is also strategically correct.

Call.

does your answer change if your holding is K10s senor vincenzo?




Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 19, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
Thanks for all your comments. I posted this immediately after the hand while still playing as I really knew I had done a dumb thing and needed a rollicking for being such an idiot and I had no one with me to rant at. 

I think really that at the time I was going by my gut instinct (which is often right) and QQ is my Nemesis but was kicking myself for not taking the chance, also there were reasons why I was playing more cautious here which I don't usually do, I don't think I am a weak player.

I thought afterwards I have really set myself up to look really dumb - to be honest I am!  lol    ;shame;





Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: celtic on June 19, 2009, 10:39:07 AM
This tournament has 1,200 runners so you will be required to take a number of chances multiple times if you hope to fair well. Given the relatively low entry fee and the aggressive nature of your opponent you have a realistic expectation of holding the best hand. This not wanting to go out emotion is a weakness that can be exploited by aggressive players, as in this hand, and it will lead to weak exploitable poker. Calling and felting the guy who's been beating you down is what makes poker good and it is also strategically correct.

Call.

does your answer change if your holding is K10s senor vincenzo?



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Pffft, if I have a king (which is a picture card) and a ten both sooooted then I have the flush draw and possible run then I don't even timebank this one. Binkity Bink cheque book and pen ftw.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: TheChipPrince on June 19, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
I would call Traffic, his range is much wider than the two hands that are beating you, he may have AA/KK, he will also have AK a portion of the time (where your atill a 57/43) favourite, but more often than not his only overcard will be an A here.

Do not beat yourself up if he does turn over AA/KK, over time this is always a call.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Girgy85 on June 19, 2009, 01:54:30 PM
I would call Traffic, his range is much wider than the two hands that are beating you, he may have AA/KK, he will also have AK a portion of the time (where your atill a 57/43) favourite, but more often than not his only overcard will be an A here.

Do not beat yourself up if he does turn over AA/KK, over time this is always a call.

Agree here.

Also get out of the mind set that you tend to lose with a certain hands. It may be a combination of varience and playing the hand wrong.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: daviebhoy on June 19, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
I call here with JTs let alone QQ if he is repeatedly shoving. I expect to see the bottom of his range here very time. With a proper hand he doesn't want to lose his customer and will more likely raise a normal amount or trap/call.

If it is the first time he pushes this deep in the BB then its still a call with QQ but difficult to judge his range on one single push this early.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: mckelinho on June 20, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
an important point that no one has made here that a novice should know is that the seat you were on, (next to the small blind) is called the button. The button is were your hand range should be at its widest. many pros whole game is based on playing when they are on the button or cutoff (position before the button). as you will be last to act when the cards are out.

Many a player would have made this 300 raise that you made from the button with any 2 cards. and that will be the way the BB was thinking. He was trying to prevent you stealing his big blind, by doing this you will be wary of raising from the button again. He has shoved putting you on a very wide range. Therefore if you call i can be sure that you are very far ahead. For the very small amount of the time that you call and he has KK or AA then unlucky. But most of the time you will take his chips.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Claw75 on June 20, 2009, 10:13:20 PM
I'm a bit confused about the actual position here - I read it as being on the button first, but trafficjam then says 'everyone folds to the bb'.  I wondered if she meant to say she was next to the bb (i.e. UTG)?

I think you've answered your own question Nellie - folding is too cautious - you have to take some risks in poker, especially in tournaments like the $10 donkament.  Calling with Qd Qc here is a minimal risk.  It might be a hand you don't like because it's not been good to you in the past, but it's still the 3rd best starting hand in poker :)


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 21, 2009, 12:37:27 PM
I'm a bit confused about the actual position here - I read it as being on the button first, but trafficjam then says 'everyone folds to the bb'.  I wondered if she meant to say she was next to the bb (i.e. UTG)?

I think you've answered your own question Nellie - folding is too cautious - you have to take some risks in poker, especially in tournaments like the $10 donkament.  Calling with Qd Qc here is a minimal risk.  It might be a hand you don't like because it's not been good to you in the past, but it's still the 3rd best starting hand in poker :)

Thanks Claw thats why I am so stupid at times the way I explain myself (must be old age as I am always being told I don't explain myself clearly, like getting the wrong word but is similar and everyone laughs).

I was first to act - that is what I meant to say, i.e next to BB doh.

Thanks for all the comments though, I do try to play differently though each time I play so that I cannot be read, so don't think in future everyone can grab my chips!


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 24, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Would you believe it.  Aggressive player again, I have QQ low on chips go all in with my little 700 - he goes all in with his 4,500 guess what, he has AA and won of course. What is it with QQ for me! doh ;frustrated;


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: trafficjam on June 24, 2009, 10:22:47 PM
Again went all in with QQ again A beat me - it is my nemisis - never calling with it again - I will now always fold!


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Graham C on June 25, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
Don't fold, just flop another queen.


Title: Re: Did I play this right
Post by: Claw75 on June 25, 2009, 01:42:10 AM
Don't fold, just flop another queen.

then you're in a world of trouble.  sigh.