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Title: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: gribbo on June 28, 2009, 02:24:14 PM
£40 freeze out down to last 5 players top 3 are paid with fourth receiving buyin back. Blinds are 3k/6k and I am chipleader in the BB with over around 240k.
The table has been playing very tight esp now, on the bubble. I have probs been the most aggressive player at the table opening about 30-40% of hands 5 handed.

There is a raise to 15k from the cut off a re raise to 40k from the button who after the re raise has around 80k. Come to me in the BB with Ahrt Ad. How do you get most value here?  Btw there has been no 3-betting pre for the last few levels everyone playing tight.

2nd hand we are down to 3 players I am on the button and 2nd in chips with around 170k blinds are 8k/16k the SB is chip leader and easily has over 550k. BB is really short and has 8k behind after posting his BB after just losing a massive pot to the SB.

I have Ahrt Kd and raise to 40k the SB immediately jams and the BB puts the rest of his chips in.

I am asking for opinions on this hand esp cause of the stack sizes/payout.

Flame away.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: GreekStein on June 28, 2009, 02:37:54 PM
First hand hollywood it and get it in.

Second hand fistpump call.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: DUNK619 on June 28, 2009, 02:40:28 PM
First hand hollywood it and get it in.

Second hand fistpump call.
  +1  apart from hollywooding


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: MC on June 28, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
First hand hollywood it and get it in.

Second hand fistpump call.
  +1  apart from hollywooding

FYP

A bit of Hollywooding needed to sell a decision


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: GreekStein on June 28, 2009, 03:05:36 PM
First hand hollywood it and get it in.

Second hand fistpump call.
 +1  apart from hollywooding

FYP

A bit of Hollywooding needed to sell a decision

Hell yeah it's not like we are sitting there pretending to think about an obvious fold. If it could be the difference between getting the chips in or not hollywood like you've never hollywooded before.

Say well 'If you've got tens or better good luck to you I just can't pass my lucky hand' ftw!


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: Steve Swift on June 28, 2009, 03:11:38 PM
mbn :)


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: gribbo on June 28, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
in hand 1 i jammed and the re raiser tank folded QQ after putting in a third of his stack. Afterwards they were all saying if i flat i get all his money if the flop three low cards. Eventhough by jamming there is like 60k+ in the pot.

Second hand We got it in three ways i reckoned even if cl knocked us both out i would still finish second. CL has 88 and BB JJ i never connected and ended up going out third. I thought the hands played themselves tbh but just have to stop being results orientated in the future.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: GreekStein on June 28, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
in hand 1 i jammed and the re raiser tank folded QQ after putting in a third of his stack. Afterwards they were all saying if i flat i get all his money if the flop three low cards. Eventhough by jamming there is like 60k+ in the pot.

Second hand We got it in three ways i reckoned even if cl knocked us both out i would still finish second. CL has 88 and BB JJ i never connected and ended up going out third. I thought the hands played themselves tbh but just have to stop being results orientated in the future.

In the first hand if you flat it screams harder of AA or KK than if you shove.

As you say the second hand plays itself, you're almost 50% to treble up and get the lot. Can only get yourself in the best situations possible and this is it. Sometimes they don't go your way


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 28, 2009, 11:40:05 PM
If you've been raising 40% of hands in this little 5-handed game then you will appear very aggressive to the other players. So what is the need to flat the re-raise? Your opp puts 1/3 of his stack in with Q-Q and can specifically put you on A-A allowing him to fold just because you jam? Considering you do this with A-K among other hands his fold, rather than your jam, is the bad pokers. If oppos want to nit fold queens here then it doesn't really matter if you keep them in or not. You can raise for fun now in the current dynamic. Also, no need to hollwood, it gives villain thinking time.

A-K is a call for me. 


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: outragous76 on June 29, 2009, 12:04:44 AM

The table has been playing very tight esp now, on the bubble.

  Btw there has been no 3-betting pre for the last few levels everyone playing tight.


where is this game - can i play


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: dousche on June 29, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
Also, no need to hollwood, it gives villain thinking time.

im thinking mini-hollywood - at least make it look like a slightly anguished call, if you can get the villain doubting that you have aces then it makes a significant number of hands more likely to call.

flatting with aces is horrible there imo, you played it right. when it comes to the second one, why not open shove to take the move away from the sb when he tries to bully you out? as played i very much doubt its a fold after putting 40k of 170k in, but what were the payouts?


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: GreekStein on June 29, 2009, 12:23:24 PM
Also, no need to hollwood, it gives villain thinking time.

im thinking mini-hollywood - at least make it look like a slightly anguished call, if you can get the villain doubting that you have aces then it makes a significant number of hands more likely to call.

flatting with aces is horrible there imo, you played it right. when it comes to the second one, why not open shove to take the move away from the sb when he tries to bully you out? as played i very much doubt its a fold after putting 40k of 170k in, but what were the payouts?

Majority of the time we want to raise to induce a shove though no? Why take the play away from him when we want him to do it.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: MANTIS01 on June 29, 2009, 12:40:07 PM
im thinking mini-hollywood - at least make it look like a slightly anguished call, if you can get the villain doubting that you have aces then it makes a significant number of hands more likely to call.

If you appear to be playing loose and aggressive like op then a quick push will just fit into this mould of looseness in villain’s eyes. If you dwell up before pushing you now look like you have made a considered play rather than an insta-loose one. The quick push suits the image more. Anyway, this psycho-babble should be immaterial cos at a tight table with no 3-betting one of the rocks has just 3-bet for 1/3 of his stack so whether you push quickly, slowly or at medium pace, you should still get a call.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: dousche on June 29, 2009, 01:18:13 PM
Also, no need to hollwood, it gives villain thinking time.

im thinking mini-hollywood - at least make it look like a slightly anguished call, if you can get the villain doubting that you have aces then it makes a significant number of hands more likely to call.

flatting with aces is horrible there imo, you played it right. when it comes to the second one, why not open shove to take the move away from the sb when he tries to bully you out? as played i very much doubt its a fold after putting 40k of 170k in, but what were the payouts?

Majority of the time we want to raise to induce a shove though no? Why take the play away from him when we want him to do it.

depends on the payouts, the bigger the difference between 3rd and 2nd the more happy you are to see the biggie fold i guess. the issue is with avoiding finishing 3rd here and how valuable this is. ak isnt in fantastic shape against his raising range is it?


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: dousche on June 29, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
im thinking mini-hollywood - at least make it look like a slightly anguished call, if you can get the villain doubting that you have aces then it makes a significant number of hands more likely to call.

If you appear to be playing loose and aggressive like op then a quick push will just fit into this mould of looseness in villain’s eyes. If you dwell up before pushing you now look like you have made a considered play rather than an insta-loose one. The quick push suits the image more. Anyway, this psycho-babble should be immaterial cos at a tight table with no 3-betting one of the rocks has just 3-bet for 1/3 of his stack so whether you push quickly, slowly or at medium pace, you should still get a call.

i think the insta-push works if we're trying to convince him that we've seen a bluffing spot, but he knows that we're shoving pretty narrow here so i think we want to persuade him that we're at the bottom of our range.


Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: gribbo on June 29, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
it was in Glasgow and there was only a small number of runners 18-20 i think. Was around 320 up top, 190 for 2nd and 115 for 3rd. One the first hand there had been a ton of tanking by the SB who supposedly folded JJ to the re raise. I moved in quickly was happy to take the dead money in the middle and didn't think the guy would lay down QQ after putting in a lot of his stack.

As for the second hand I was thinking of open jamming but felt the SB would jam over my open with dominated hands AQ,AJ etc aswell as pairs etc. I wasn't worried about the BB as i reckoned if the chipleader knocks us both out I finish second and if i win it i have a good stack heads up.

Only reason i posted is cause a few of the guys there were questioning my play and saying that i could have folded in second etc, which I think is crazy and as cos said u have to go for the win in MTTs and always take the favorable situations.



Title: Re: Two Live MTT Hands
Post by: dousche on June 29, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
we definitely dont want to fold here, 1st is so much bigger than 2nd and 3rd so i guess your line is fine to maximise our chances of getting it in