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Title: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: outragous76 on June 30, 2009, 11:48:37 AM Dylanm seemed like a reasonable player to this point
question is - given that i have raised utg - can i shove here and get 2:1 on my flip? If so how mnay times will it work I actually folded - as i think good players can flat AA here to induce my shove given the effective stacks But against typical $33 opposition - would you reshove? PokerStars Game #29938503341: Tournament #175252774, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/06/30 11:36:38 WET [2009/06/30 6:36:38 ET] Table '175252774 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: sugar teddy (6425 in chips) Seat 2: dylanm1512 (6945 in chips) Seat 3: outragous76 (4938 in chips) Seat 4: Bbaas (2760 in chips) Seat 5: Aek203 (4935 in chips) Seat 6: zé iran (2750 in chips) Seat 7: igorglebich (5825 in chips) Seat 8: POKER-OBIWAN (2510 in chips) Seat 9: TURK4EVER (1630 in chips) sugar teddy: posts small blind 25 dylanm1512: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to outragous76 [As Qh] outragous76 said, outragous76: raises 100 to 150 Bbaas: folds Aek203: folds zé iran: folds igorglebich: folds POKER-OBIWAN: folds POKER-OBIWAN said, TURK4EVER: raises 1480 to 1630 and is all-in sugar teddy: folds dylanm1512: calls 1580 outragous76: ?????????? Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: dousche on June 30, 2009, 12:19:07 PM you're only raising another 3400 into 4800, there are very few, if any hands that dylanm passes here. on top of that, one would assume that he would isolate with marginal hands and is more likely to cold call the all in with hands that crush you. you're in reasonable shape against the shortstack but shoving here is a terrible play. i assume that dylanm turned over something daft like 44 and you were wondering if you could make him pass - i think this is never going to happen.
Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: thetank on June 30, 2009, 12:27:34 PM How many runners?
If there's 5,000+ I like the shove more than if it's a 180 man comp. Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: EvilPie on June 30, 2009, 12:28:42 PM Just pass and sigh when they both show shit hands.
Oppo is never passing here even if he's got 23o because he's got the price to call. AQ isn't likely to be a favourite. There's a slight chance you could be ahead of TURK but dylan has a pair or AQ+ If you're lucky you're up against 2 underpairs but even then you've got to hit and also fade a 40% chance of one of them hitting a set. Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: outragous76 on June 30, 2009, 12:40:06 PM I was 100% sure I was ahead of the turk - he had been playing to double thru or go bust
it was the 10k daily with aout 350 runners Turk 99 dylanm TT Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: daviebhoy on June 30, 2009, 12:59:58 PM I'm not 4-betting here. After seeing the hands though it doesn't look like Dylan is trap calling with TT. I think a shove forces him out of the hand (mibbe not though) but I can't see the shove working enough to be profitable as we are up against AK/JJ+ so often and these hands are not folding.
dn Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: boldie on June 30, 2009, 01:15:46 PM It looks like a fairly straightforward fold to me.
but then, most hands do. Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: thetank on June 30, 2009, 04:42:53 PM I was 100% sure I was ahead of the turk - he had been playing to double thru or go bust it was the 10k daily with aout 350 runners Turk 99 dylanm TT I'm on the fence. Probably shoving tbh Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: dousche on June 30, 2009, 08:03:27 PM I'm not 4-betting here. After seeing the hands though it doesn't look like Dylan is trap calling with TT. I think a shove forces him out of the hand (mibbe not though) but I can't see the shove working enough to be profitable as we are up against AK/JJ+ so often and these hands are not folding. dn i presume dylanm is calling without a plan for what happens when you shove, he'll most likely shrug and call imo. insta-fold, i never think about raising here Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: LeKnave on July 01, 2009, 02:07:31 AM snap fold.
Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: salfi on July 01, 2009, 06:09:40 AM i hate these spots but they often flat with aces and kings here hoping u spazz out with an all in. just fold cant be proffitable shoving aq here. unless your shaundeeb and the flops gunner come aaq obviously
Title: Re: how often does a 4 bet all in work in this spot? Post by: Royal Flush on July 02, 2009, 10:49:12 AM |