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Title: 45man final table line check Post by: thetank on July 10, 2009, 08:29:16 AM 45 person STT, top 6 paid. Action is 5-handed on final table here.
Full Tilt Poker Game #13304984496: $24 + $2 Sit & Go (98549554), Table 5 - 500/1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:20:05 ET - 2009/07/10 Seat 3: PNBRAZIL (11,640) Seat 4: HERO (17,265) Seat 5: Nene36 (21,160) Seat 7: HOLLANDHOPE (9,825) Seat 8: chuchulandio (7,610) HOLLANDHOPE posts the small blind of 500 chuchulandio posts the big blind of 1,000 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [Kc Td] PNBRAZIL folds HERO raises to 2,500 Nene36 calls 2,500 HOLLANDHOPE folds chuchulandio folds PNBRAZIL has been disconnected *** FLOP *** [Kh Tc 8c] HERO bets 2,500 Nene36 calls 2,500 *** TURN *** [Kh Tc 8c] [2d] HERO bets 12,265, and is all in Read on opponent is that he is less than solid, have been fairly loose pre playing lots of pots but not putting pressure on opposition. Would expect his range for flatting me pre to be quite wide but nothing too crazy, Ax but not Kx. I bet small on flop hoping to induce opponent over the top. I bet max on turn as pot is massive crucial and I want to price draws out if possible. Would you play it different? Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: dousche on July 10, 2009, 10:36:05 AM are you passing to the BB preflop? id go like 3.5-4k personally as i think the button rarely ships it light and taking down lots of pots uncontested is the way foward in these comps imo - also reduces the number of times we play a flop oop.
as far as the turn is concerned, i dont shove personally. i think i prefer 4.5-5k then the rest on the end. his calling range of 2.5k on the flop is be super-wide (any k/t/8/pp/draw). at this stage i dont think he's gonna be calling down with a naked flush draw and you've got the Kc so you're in massive shape here and just want to give him the best chance of getting them in. Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: pokerfan on July 10, 2009, 11:01:28 AM are you passing to the BB preflop? id go like 3.5-4k personally as i think the button rarely ships it light and taking down lots of pots uncontested is the way foward in these comps imo - also reduces the number of times we play a flop oop. Sharkscope villain then rethink your answer.as far as the turn is concerned, i dont shove personally. i think i prefer 4.5-5k then the rest on the end. his calling range of 2.5k on the flop is be super-wide (any k/t/8/pp/draw). at this stage i dont think he's gonna be calling down with a naked flush draw and you've got the Kc so you're in massive shape here and just want to give him the best chance of getting them in. Raise size is fine. Just get it in Tank, there`s only 1 box for this lad. He will probably call 79/J9/any flush draw/any2/any8/any10/anyK. (A2?) Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: daviebhoy on July 10, 2009, 11:50:16 AM Its a funny one, I can see arguments for smaller bet on turn but I actually think the best way to get it all in here is to check the turn I know giving the free card is bad here but if we are concerned only with getting all the money in and not wanting villain to fold then I check turn. I probably bet half-pot here though in reality.
Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: gatso on July 10, 2009, 12:22:37 PM confused by your bet sizings
you price draws in when the board is fairly wet and then decide to price draws out when the turn bricks. why? Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: boldie on July 10, 2009, 02:20:00 PM Raise pre is fine...flop a bit small (3.5-4k for me) but you're selling it as a continuation bet I guess so OK. turn shove...yeah might as well as there;s plenty in the pot and only betting 5k would look suspicious.
Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: Longy on July 10, 2009, 02:27:13 PM That is my exact raise size pre, make it more on the flop so you have a less than pot size bet back on the turn. The majority of poor villians will pay more to draw on the flop, so I wouldn't be worried about the pushing them out of the pot.
Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: thetank on July 10, 2009, 06:24:33 PM Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: thetank on July 10, 2009, 06:28:47 PM confused by your bet sizings you price draws in when the board is fairly wet and then decide to price draws out when the turn bricks. why? My flop bet was probably a mistake in hindsight, wrong villain. I wanted to look weak and induce a shove but opponent had not previously exhibited that kind of aggression. If I could play the hand again I would defo bet more on flop. The turn shove is because the pot size is now t11,500 and so represents a signifacant chunk of the total amount in play. I no longer wanted to eek max value, just maximizing the % of the time I get pushed the pot because of chip utility of having such a stack. Too nitty? Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: MC on July 10, 2009, 07:20:59 PM confused by your bet sizings you price draws in when the board is fairly wet and then decide to price draws out when the turn bricks. why? This 3k the flop, 6k on the turn or something like that. Don't like the shove as it just lets him off the hook with so much. Bet like 4/5 of the pot if you want to price out draws... Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: Amatay on July 10, 2009, 07:22:35 PM i sometimes check the turn just to let him bluff off his stack and hope he doesnt hit his draw, if he has one that is
Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: LuckyLloyd on July 11, 2009, 11:47:32 AM You must bet more on the flop. One of the advantages of doing so is that a turn shove will be for less than the total pot. It's just easier to get the money in with a proper flop bet. Moreover, if you were c - betting as a bluff you'd bet more. And c - betting different sizes for different parts of your range is bad.
Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: dousche on July 11, 2009, 02:30:48 PM id probably make the raise bigger pre then to reduce the times he shoves on you - so he knows that he's calling all in rather than thinking he's shoving on you Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: gatso on July 11, 2009, 02:33:40 PM id probably make the raise bigger pre then to reduce the times he shoves on you - so he knows that he's calling all in rather than thinking he's shoving on you fair enough if we're hu but we still have the cl to act behind us Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: dousche on July 11, 2009, 04:11:54 PM id probably make the raise bigger pre then to reduce the times he shoves on you - so he knows that he's calling all in rather than thinking he's shoving on you fair enough if we're hu but we still have the cl to act behind us we dont have room to pass?? that and we dont want him flatting the raise. obviously if he's any good we cant make such transparent adjustments but this is a $26 sng, players are loathed to get their chips involved with a bluff. i think i go 3.5k Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: GreekStein on July 11, 2009, 04:15:38 PM i sometimes check the turn just to let him bluff off his stack and hope he doesnt hit his draw, if he has one that is Really amafish? I'm betting turn around 134% of the time. Ppl have said pretty much the right stuff. Bet more on flop Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: Amatay on July 11, 2009, 05:28:03 PM i sometimes check the turn just to let him bluff off his stack and hope he doesnt hit his draw, if he has one that is Really amafish? I'm betting turn around 134% of the time. Ppl have said pretty much the right stuff. Bet more on flop Yep, i do this alot actually in these 45 man games and 9/10 they blast and do not necessarily have a draw but are drawing dead/near dead. Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: MC on July 11, 2009, 08:39:49 PM id probably make the raise bigger pre 2.5x is pretty standard at this stage, no? I sometimes raise less than this... Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: boldie on July 11, 2009, 09:14:45 PM id probably make the raise bigger pre 2.5x is pretty standard at this stage, no? I sometimes raise less than this... 2.5 is perfect IMO Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: mckelinho on July 13, 2009, 02:40:45 PM I agree that a larger bet on the flop is better i usual situations but i like the way you played this hand!
My thinking: 1. Pre - You are getting reraised pre if he has Kk 10 10 or 8 8. 2. Flop - You u are ahead just now, small bet on the flop in unpassable to a drawing hand or one with a K or 10 in it. 3. Turn - no club, no completed srtaight, you still have the best hand, = all in, you are happy with the pot. Its massive. If he calls and hits then UL but looking at it you are 88%-12% over a flush draw and in the same region to an open ended straight draw. I see nothing wrong with the way its been played. Diff story if the straight or flush landed on turn Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: gatso on July 13, 2009, 02:49:21 PM I agree that a larger bet on the flop is better i usual situations but i like the way you played this hand! My thinking: 1. Pre - You are getting reraised pre if he has Kk 10 10 or 8 8. 2. Flop - You u are ahead just now, small bet on the flop in unpassable to a drawing hand or one with a K or 10 in it. 3. Turn - no club, no completed srtaight, you still have the best hand, = all in, you are happy with the pot. Its massive. If he calls and hits then UL but looking at it you are 88%-12% over a flush draw and in the same region to an open ended straight draw. I see nothing wrong with the way its been played. Diff story if the straight or flush landed on turn so you liked the flop play because the turn bricked but wouldn't have liked it if a draw completed? I can see problems with this Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: mckelinho on July 13, 2009, 02:54:47 PM I agree that a larger bet on the flop is better i usual situations but i like the way you played this hand! My thinking: 1. Pre - You are getting reraised pre if he has Kk 10 10 or 8 8. 2. Flop - You u are ahead just now, small bet on the flop in unpassable to a drawing hand or one with a K or 10 in it. 3. Turn - no club, no completed srtaight, you still have the best hand, = all in, you are happy with the pot. Its massive. If he calls and hits then UL but looking at it you are 88%-12% over a flush draw and in the same region to an open ended straight draw. I see nothing wrong with the way its been played. Diff story if the straight or flush landed on turn so you liked the flop play because the turn bricked but wouldn't have liked it if a draw completed? I can see problems with this Yeah, i can see problems with this hand everyway that it is played. I reckon that Villan would have called even a pot sized bet on the flop chasing the flush. Keeping the bet low means he'll lose less if th eflush comes. If the miracle K or 10 comes then continue the low betting. But when its the 2, he aint going to chase with 1 card. sooo get it all in while ahead. I dont think that theres a perfect way to play this hand Title: Re: 45man final table line check Post by: Longy on July 13, 2009, 05:13:04 PM I agree that a larger bet on the flop is better i usual situations but i like the way you played this hand! My thinking: 1. Pre - You are getting reraised pre if he has Kk 10 10 or 8 8. 2. Flop - You u are ahead just now, small bet on the flop in unpassable to a drawing hand or one with a K or 10 in it. 3. Turn - no club, no completed srtaight, you still have the best hand, = all in, you are happy with the pot. Its massive. If he calls and hits then UL but looking at it you are 88%-12% over a flush draw and in the same region to an open ended straight draw. I see nothing wrong with the way its been played. Diff story if the straight or flush landed on turn so you liked the flop play because the turn bricked but wouldn't have liked it if a draw completed? I can see problems with this Yeah, i can see problems with this hand everyway that it is played. I reckon that Villan would have called even a pot sized bet on the flop chasing the flush. Keeping the bet low means he'll lose less if th eflush comes. If the miracle K or 10 comes then continue the low betting. But when its the 2, he aint going to chase with 1 card. sooo get it all in while ahead. I dont think that theres a perfect way to play this hand Your fold top 2 if the board comes with a low card completing the flush possibility with roughly the pot back? Betting more on the flop is miles better than betting 1/2 pot, the flush card comes 1 in 4 times, basic maths will tell you that you gain more than you lose by betting more on the flop. |