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Playing a 5/10 cash game at Venetian on a pretty soft table.  I have raised to $40 UTG with KJ and picked up a caller on the button, who briefly thought about re raising pre and call from both the blinds.

Flop  3c 8c Js, both blinds check and I lead for $120 and everyone calls.

Turn  Jh so again I lead for $410 and get the one caller on the button.

After the call he leaves himself $820.  River brings an ugly  Qc and its on me to act first.  What should my play be?

Myself and the guy had a little history but nothing too major, he had been quite quiet and mainly a calling station.

Check fold.

check fold? why?

because everything just got there?

We can't beat anything that plays the hand like this

man i dunno, need to know more about the villan, cant see him having 33 88 910 suppose he could have aj surely hed raise qq akc ?

You are not beating much on the river - 99/TT/AK/AQ/A8/JT ? I think greekstein has got it about right with check/fold. I can't see any of the hands you beat betting the river very often.

He doesn't move in on river with QQ. Prob just knuckles back, that is if he's bad enough to call QQ when Neil bet's turn.

910 got there, flushes got there. Sets are crushing us though I can't see him ever having a set obv. AJ and QJ beat us. What do you think he's betting here?

eh? why would check bk with qq he has basically the nuts, i cant see what flush cards hed have apart from akc but ud think hed raise that pre and calling the turn with that isnt great i dont think, cant see him ever thinking about raising pre and then just calling  33 88 910 or qj either

fire a blocker ?

greenstein just nailed it. /thread. sick sick river.

Do you crying call a small value bet?

Did you have to swallow some vomit after that river?

What does this achieve?


fyp


His value bet is very very unlikely to be anything other than all in with his stack size and what's in the pot so we probably can't call any bet he's likely to make BUT we obv sigh and call a few hundred dollars if he makes a gay bet.

comment on this greekstein?

Sorry I meant overpairs, just forgot it was a queen that hit the river. I prob meant he knuckles AA and KK.

When Neil leads the turn for just under pot once the second jack hits its kinda obv he has a huge hand (prob a jack, though I guess 33 and 88 do the same). All 3 players have called his flop bet so Neil can't lead the turn when the jack hits without a monster, which he has at that point.

really need to know more about the villan here. maybe a little thin but im getting it in . i think ur ahead lots of the time here , i just cant see what he has , i mean surley hes raising pre with qq akc i dont think hed be thinking about raising with 33 then flatting or 910 and if he did have 910c hed be rasing the flop . thats leaves u with 88 and aj imo . might be spewy but im going with the hand

How so when you got no clue of where villain is at?

meh, what made hands that we beat will he turn into a bluff on this river?

He can DEF have AA/KK/QQ which he will prolly check back, almost certainly infact. Only J we beat is J10, outweighed by QJ and AJ combinatronically (love that word).

He can def have played the nfd like this, of which there are a tonne of combos, given he has the button. Also, he can def have slowplayed a set, 88 specifically.

I think anything BUT check folding is spew tbh without deep history (like knowing this guy can double float and rep hands, when he KNOWS we have a v strong holding) which i dont think Blatch would get in live cash games at the wsop.

guy also doesn't have enough back to think he could make Blatch pass a hand as strong as 3 jacks so to turn a hand into a bluff here would be v risky.

good post alex, maybe i wasnt giving enough thought to him having axc hands , pretty bad tho if hes calling the turn bet with those type of hands

OP should really just push-in.  If he's going to raise KJ utg at a full table, he's going to do his cash sooner or later.  So why waste more time.

I agree tbh. Think this should be a muck.

..er, why did you raise utg with KJ? I know I'm tighter than a duck's arse but I would fold this crap from terrible position. I'd rather raise with 7,2 from the button. Was the table full handed or six max?

Was 9 handed and I raised basically because the table was so soft and I hadnt really been put in a tricky spot for over 4 hours or so.  The table was redic soft and I was happy playing pretty much ATC from anywhere on the table and being pretty certain where I was in every hand.

I checked the river, he shoved and I folded and he flipped  Kc Tc for the flush.  The reason I asked was I wanted to know if people would put a bet out there and fold to a shovbe knowing he has to have it 100% if he does come OTT.  I think against his range the only hand im eating by the river was J10 and I bet as much as I did on the turn to take away the correct odds of someone chasing the flush.

Why are we saying he could have qq-aa here? He obv raises the flop with op to the board. Depending on how aggresive he is, he probs raises akc here, only hands which he flats two streets are flush draws imo. Bet folding this river is awful too for people suggesting to fire out a blocker. People fire out blockers far too much these days, as a kinda disguised value bet, playig 5-10 at the venetian I guess you get raised here even if he has air.

Oh and fold pre.