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Wow. That's a succinct description of what just happened on the secondary feature table. Billy Kopp opened for 600,000 preflop from early position and was called by the small blind, Darvin Moon. So far, so good.

On a flop of  Kd 9d 2d , Moon had first action and checked. He then called when Kopp bet 750,000. Again, nothing out of the ordinary yet.

It was on the turn  2h where everything went haywire. Moon checked again and drew a bet of 2.0 million from Kopp. Moon then check-raised to 6.0 million. Improbably, Kopp moved all in for about 20.0 million total. Even more improbably, Moon called!

Kopp:  3d 5d
Moon:  Jd Qd

Kopp looked like he wanted to cry when he saw Moon's hand. He knew that he was drawing dead and that Moon had him covered. Kopp had more than 80 big blinds to start the hand; with the  7c river he had none. He didn't even wait for the river to come out, barreling out of the secondary feature table area as fast as he could.

Moon is once again the chip leader with a whopping 45.0 million chips.


http://www.pokernews.com/wsop/2009/event-57/day8/page2.htm

thoughts?

I'm really glad I am not Billy Kopp today. I wouldn't be surprised if he threw up the next time he is dealt 3d 5d.

ice ice baby

Really?

Would you be shocked and surprised to see that you were behind here with a 5 high flush?

What else can oppo have to make this move?

Any hand involving a flush draw gets frisky on the flop with 2 cards to come. Why c/r the turn with  Ad Kh for example when your oppo's given you the chance to make the same move on the flop with way more equity?

Once the board pairs he has a chance to see a cheap showdown. Why not take it? Yes he's going to face a bet on the river and he'll hate it if a blue card comes but throwing 20 million chips in here seems plain stupid.

Just cold that the two chipleaders both flopped flushes. Obv he's gonna do some chips there.

I personally call turn and check/fold the river to an all in.

Agreed. He will be running that hand through his head for the rest of his life. The shove on the turn is a moment of madness. I think it is incredibly difficult for anyone to fold the turn or river here. The board pairing should have slowed him down, he had no need to play for stacks.

Why not play for stacks?  If you have been following the updates it seems like people are firing 3 and 4 bets really light.  People are calling raises light and there has been a lot of check/raise/folds.  All the tables seem to be in super aggro mode.  Moon in himself seems to be flatting every raise that gets made (and outflopping everyone).  When he check raises the turn can he not have Kx with a diamond or even  Ad2 or air?

When Kopp overbet shoves allin whats hands he beats call ? Moon called flop and has raised turn when the board paired. Shoving 20m chips here with so much at stake is a huge error. He can check the turn here against the one player at the table who has him covered and then call Moons value bet/bluff on the end and he would probably be in the final 9 players with a shot at $8.5m aswell as all the status that goes with making that final table.

Kopp really should fold to this guys checkraise on the turn. Hes probably not good enough to be bluffing here (not knocking him, hes made the Nov 9 which is an incred achievment, but apparently doesnt play that much) and wont play worse hands for value with such a strong line.

Also i dont like preflop.

You may be right about it being against Moon as the player and not thinking about his stack.

Wasnt saying that shoving the turn was good but Im finding it hard to find a fold to the checkraise considering the amount of 3 bet/folding which was being reported throughout the last 2 days.

Tags all over the world recall getting done over by a 52 suited playing idiotb4st4rd and try not to laugh, but can't.

As for all the 3-betting reported - they aren't likely to report that the someone raised and everyone at the table folded pre or that a certain player hasn't played a hand for 3 orbits. Going by the updates you are going to get a very skewed picture of how the tables were playing.

I realise that, but even in the end of day updates on different sites and interviews with players there is a lot of talk about the overall aggression shown throughout the last few days including Hachem hilarious comment that they were insulting the game of poker with their continual 4 betting   lol

theres not sets on the flop imo due to the way the flop actions goes, so the  2h is an irrelavancy, sick cold deck imo, moon not capable of check raise bluffing the turn with, either a) top pair, or b) nut / close to nut diamonds, or combinations thereof?

Do you shove 20m chips into the 5m pot here because you think moon is check/raise bluffing with top pair or has the nut flush ? I think a call is okay and he might get lucky and a 4th diamond comes stopping him losing more money. He didn't need to go broke in this hand is the point.