Title: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: chrisbruce on July 16, 2009, 02:33:48 PM Villan has been playing super tight.
I have just had a card rush and started raising a lot esp from positon ***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 549341871 ***** NL $2.50/$5 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 16, 13:20:38 GMT 2009 Table Nitrogen 35 6-max (Real Money) Seat 4 is the button Total number of active players : 6 Seat 1: Kobussen ( $500 ) Seat 2: Nutkins2 ( $203 ) Seat 3: space man ( $1,853.96 ) Seat 4: Hitandrun ( $1,017.04 ) Seat 5: The Math ( $1,049.24 ) Seat 6: Slep ( $500 ) The Math posts small blind [$2.50] Slep posts big blind [$5] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hitandrun [ Kd, Kc ] Kobussen folds Nutkins2 folds space man folds Hitandrun raises to [$17.50] The Math raises to [$64] Slep folds Hitandrun raises to [$197] The Math calls [$133] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 7h, Th ] The Math checks Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: Graham C on July 16, 2009, 02:44:26 PM I'm normally reluctant to reply at these levels given that I generally play for the price of a big blind, however...
Super tight, so we can rule out 98 hopefully. In my mind, calling the 4 bet leaves AA, KK too, QQ, JJ, TT (at a push) and AK. I'd normally lead out, get check raised, call and weep to be shown a set or AA. I'd lead out for $295-325 and see what happens. Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: chrisbruce on July 16, 2009, 03:56:39 PM I know what you mean Silo
One of my problems here was that I was playing to large a stack for me to be comfortable. Normally I will quit a table if I get to 1k plus and start another, especially if there are other big stacks around. Ok so I lead for full pot $400 and I get shuved on .............is there any way I can now pass??????? ($400 behind into a $1600 pot) If I had bet less than full pot say $275 could I pass here ? would I want to? Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: GreekStein on July 16, 2009, 04:24:17 PM I know what you mean Silo One of my problems here was that I was playing to large a stack for me to be comfortable. Normally I will quit a table if I get to 1k plus and start another, especially if there are other big stacks around. Ok so I lead for full pot $400 and I get shuved on .............is there any way I can now pass??????? ($400 behind into a $1600 pot) If I had bet less than full pot say $275 could I pass here ? would I want to? Why did you lead for full pot? Do you normally do this? Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: chrisbruce on July 16, 2009, 04:35:36 PM As I said I was playing outside my comfort zone and it was pretty much a go away bet!!!!!
2/3 pot would prob be my norm here. bet even then am I ever passing? Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: Graham C on July 16, 2009, 04:37:58 PM Not that it's relevant now, but is checking behind against such a tight player viable?
From his point of view, you 4 bet and are quite active, you could be doing this with a wide range - you can't have hands all the time right! Perhaps he sees you on AK or has QQ, perhaps AK himself and thinks you've missed. I'd call, then puke. Even when I have the nuts on the flop and I get c/r all in I'm nervous though! Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: GreekStein on July 16, 2009, 04:45:17 PM As I said I was playing outside my comfort zone and it was pretty much a go away bet!!!!! 2/3 pot would prob be my norm here. bet even then am I ever passing? Nah in a 4-bet pot your gonna have to stack off here. Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: AlexMartin on July 16, 2009, 06:49:44 PM Exceedingly tough spot. Although The Math is a retard. Im really not happy about stacking off here despite it being a 4b pot. I really dont think hes peeling 4bets light even deep given hes pretty bad TAG.
Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: George2Loose on July 16, 2009, 06:52:19 PM Isn't it quite standard for the villian to flat the 4 bet with AA?
I don't think your beating much here tbh. Anyone check this flop for pot control? I know we may potentially be losing value but I can't see much giving us action on this board that doesn't have us beat already apart from maybe QQ Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: chrisbruce on July 16, 2009, 09:22:13 PM I really did not like how I played this hand, but at the same time I am not sure what the correct play should have been?
Anyway I call and the villan tables Ahrt Jh 2 blanks and happy days.......... ;yippee; ;yippee; Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: GreekStein on July 16, 2009, 09:25:36 PM The Math - will look out for him.
Title: Re: KK - how much to bet here - Post by: Royal Flush on July 16, 2009, 09:38:06 PM 4 betting then scratching your head on JT7 is probably not a good idea, chess players think 30 moves ahead, you just need to think 2....
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