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Title: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 21, 2009, 01:28:35 AM Phil Ivey is a huge celeb in poker, he is one of the few players that are known outside of poker.
I am still shocked at this result, its such a huge achievement, they said that a well known pro may never FT again let alone win it. If he wins the ME it will possibly be the most monumental occasion in poker history, agree? With the press coverage and hype surrounding the November 9, will this attract more people to play poker, similar to the Moneymaker effect? How will this impact the worlds view on poker being skill or luck? So many questions I would like to know the answer to however I guess we will just have to wait and see Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Claw75 on July 21, 2009, 01:39:27 AM Is he really known outside of poker? I doubt any of my non-poker friends would have a clue who he was.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 21, 2009, 01:53:42 AM I think he is more likely to be known outside of poker than any other player.
When I posted I thought he was known as a high roller, just in general. Not just for his poker Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2009, 02:09:21 AM Is he really known outside of poker? I doubt any of my non-poker friends would have a clue who he was. If they were american friends they may know him. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: easypickings on July 21, 2009, 09:05:57 AM There seem to be are alot of people in poker hoping he will be very outspoken, and a keen ambassador for the game. I think they will be very disappointed.
It's incredible that the best player in the world is there, but it's just not his style to say too much, and rightly so. There shouldn't be an expectation tied to the winner of the Main Event that they are going to be an ambassador for the game for the next year. I think it would be much better news for poker if it was someone like Negreanu. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: DaveShoelace on July 21, 2009, 09:15:57 AM Excellent for the 'is poker a game of skill?' debate across the world no doubt, very few people dont have Ivey in their top 5 players of all time, most have him as number one.
Not mega amazing for the wider appeal of the game, simply because he is so reserved and also has most of the poker communities money anyway. It will mean the most to the people that already play poker. Hellmuth winning it again would, unfortunatley, be much better for the game overall and lets be honest, it would kind of be enterataining to watch (as would him losing to runner runner heads up). They say a pro will never make the FT again, I actually think in coming years these events will be more and more pro heavy, the structure is getting deeper and the pros seem to be tearing it up at the moment. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: easypickings on July 21, 2009, 09:27:19 AM Phil Ivey is not a "character," but he has no duty to be, he just puts his money down to play like everyone else. Infact, there are very few natural characters in the game, but a lot of artifical ones looking to get a chunk more money out of the system.
Something I found funny is that it seems to be pretty much accepted that Hevad Khan is a nice, normal guy, who put on a very good show of being an idiot to net a sponsorship deal. Can he really be faulted for it? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: DaveShoelace on July 21, 2009, 09:44:46 AM One great thing about Ivey at the FT, is that he only has to ladder a couple of spots to overtake Jamie Gold in the all time money list. 7 bracelets and all the $$$$ means Hellmuth can kiss his ass.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2009, 11:22:45 AM lol @ people saying its good for skill v luck arguement.
Ivey is 8/9 if i am correct? The guy who is 1/9 is a complete clown. The Luck case rests. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: MC on July 21, 2009, 11:40:00 AM lol @ people saying its good for skill v luck arguement. (http://asapblogs.typepad.com/news/images/2007/07/18/poker.jpg) [ ] Skill [X] Luck Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: gatso on July 21, 2009, 11:40:23 AM they said that a well known pro may never FT again let alone win it. lol. who are 'they' exactly? your mates down the pub? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2009, 11:46:28 AM Phil Ivey is a huge celeb in poker, he is one of the few players that are known outside of poker. Maybe in the USA, but in the UK no. If you aren't interested in poker you just don't know any players. I know plenty of people who play regularly who still wouldn't know who the hell Daniel Negreanu or the Devilfish was. They're just not celebs. It's just like a minority sport really. No one would know a top bridge player, hockey player, bmx rider etc either. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: TightEnd on July 21, 2009, 11:54:20 AM Phil Ivey is a huge celeb in poker, he is one of the few players that are known outside of poker.
Outside poker very few will know him. I think its a stretch to suggest a ME win for him would see a new influx of fishy money into poker. In general, poker players hugely over-estimate the popularity of poker in general. It's a very minority interest. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Woodsey on July 21, 2009, 12:11:35 PM Be much better if a proper celeb who plays poker won it, like Ben Affleck, Toby Maguire, or dare I say it Shane Warne or Michael Greco.........
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: gatso on July 21, 2009, 12:12:57 PM Be much better if a proper celeb who plays poker won it, like Ben Affleck, Toby Maguire, or dare I say it Shane Warne or Michael Greco......... this how cool would it be if spiderman won the world series? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: bolt pp on July 21, 2009, 12:18:03 PM My opinion is that i think it will be good and stuff for poker
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 21, 2009, 03:26:02 PM Never really considered Iveys lack of personality.
Always thought it would be his name that would carry the word. You're right about if it was Negreanu, I can imagine him doing TV shows, Newspaper interviews radio shows etc etc Ivey just wants to sit there and be balla Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: outragous76 on July 21, 2009, 03:38:33 PM In a way - it could be good for poker
Ove is balla in a very private way. You get people like helmuth acting like a prick and joe public think that is the way to act. Maybe people adopting a more respectful game would be a good thing - i could certainly be better! Dont get me wrong - i love chatting to people at the tables - but that is different to acting like a knob. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2009, 03:56:01 PM There's more chance of James being on the final boosting the poker interest in the UK. It depends how well it gets PR'd outside the usual enclosed section of poker/gaming media.
The tabloids are bound to love the train driver turned poker millionnaire story, just like the Feldman paperboy turned pro story. However this one has a bit more weight with the build-up to a big TV event rather than anonymous winnings online. Oh and the progression from small local tournaments to the biggest event in the world sounds nice as well. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: GreekStein on July 21, 2009, 04:34:31 PM I think more old people will be going to watch people they know play poker.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: mckelinho on July 21, 2009, 05:02:35 PM The effect it will have cant be compared to Chris the Moneymaker. Nothing will effect the game again the way that did.
I think that FTing the main event with 6500 people playing is more an achievement than his 2-7 lowball bracelet but all in all its the best performance in 1 wsop ever whether he wins it or not. Two braclets and a final table in ME in one year wont be appreciated by people outside of poker but sure will be by people within the community Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: DaveShoelace on July 21, 2009, 05:22:08 PM There's more chance of James being on the final boosting the poker interest in the UK. It depends how well it gets PR'd outside the usual enclosed section of poker/gaming media. The tabloids are bound to love the train driver turned poker millionnaire story, just like the Feldman paperboy turned pro story. However this one has a bit more weight with the build-up to a big TV event rather than anonymous winnings online. Oh and the progression from small local tournaments to the biggest event in the world sounds nice as well. Agreed, I wrote something to that effect last week http://uk.pokernews.com/news/world-series-of-poker/2009/07/james-akenhead-uk-poker-1262.htm (mods, take it off if its too spammy) - I cant believe I manage to mention Eddie the Eagle Edwards in the same piece. Not been much mainstream coverage of Akenhead yet unfortunatley, hopefully it will come as the final table gets nearer. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: AMRN on July 21, 2009, 05:32:15 PM There's more chance of James being on the final boosting the poker interest in the UK. It depends how well it gets PR'd outside the usual enclosed section of poker/gaming media. Unfortunately, even if James wins it, the TV coverage of his play is likely to be sparse given that he is not American. How many of Jon Kalmar's hands were shown a couple of years ago? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: GreekStein on July 21, 2009, 05:39:50 PM There's more chance of James being on the final boosting the poker interest in the UK. It depends how well it gets PR'd outside the usual enclosed section of poker/gaming media. Unfortunately, even if James wins it, the TV coverage of his play is likely to be sparse given that he is not American. How many of Jon Kalmar's hands were shown a couple of years ago? Pretty silly post. If he wins it a lot of the coverage will be around him, because he'll be the champion. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: DaveShoelace on July 21, 2009, 05:47:29 PM There's more chance of James being on the final boosting the poker interest in the UK. It depends how well it gets PR'd outside the usual enclosed section of poker/gaming media. Unfortunately, even if James wins it, the TV coverage of his play is likely to be sparse given that he is not American. How many of Jon Kalmar's hands were shown a couple of years ago? Its all about the delay, there is a chance (albeit a small one) that Akenhead can raise the profile of poker in the UK in the 4 months he is waiting for the final table to take place rather than the televised coverage of the final itself. Kalmar obviously never had a delay so wasn't able to do the same (Shame too, because he is a real character) Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: robbiebox on July 21, 2009, 05:54:58 PM Celebrity winning it is the only way that it will break free into the main public arena.
If James was to win it then their might well be a strong boost in this country, I imagine numbers would be up everywhere. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: julian on July 21, 2009, 08:16:23 PM (sponsorship committments aside) if i were in james's shoes the last thing i would want to do would be going large & bigging myself & the game up, a low-key 4 months would be my preferred choice.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2009, 08:26:36 PM (sponsorship committments aside) if i were in james's shoes the last thing i would want to do would be going large & bigging myself & the game up, a low-key 4 months would be my preferred choice. I would do the opposite and ensure i never have to do a days work in my life. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2009, 08:40:15 PM I would do the opposite and ensure i never have to do a days work in my life. The public would get fed up with you after about a week though. Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. Good luck with that ;) Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 21, 2009, 09:06:24 PM Look what happened to Dennis Phillips.
He cocked it all up and now he looks like a donkey Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Ironside on July 21, 2009, 09:15:29 PM if i was a tv producer i would have signed james up to follow him to the FT for a fly on the wall documentary
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 21, 2009, 09:29:18 PM if i was a tv producer i would have signed james up to follow him to the FT for a fly on the wall documentary Can't imagine it being that interesting Couple of interviews, probs not enough for a full documentary Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2009, 09:30:24 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Ironside on July 21, 2009, 09:33:52 PM if i was a tv producer i would have signed james up to follow him to the FT for a fly on the wall documentary Can't imagine it being that interesting Couple of interviews, probs not enough for a full documentary much more intresting than some of the poker documentarys i have been subjected too Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: bolt pp on July 21, 2009, 10:17:07 PM if i was a tv producer i would have signed james up to follow him to the FT for a fly on the wall documentary Can't imagine it being that interesting Couple of interviews, probs not enough for a full documentary lol for real? they can make mainstream documentaries about a woman training her dog, dinner parties, people going on coach trips and life on the dole but you're telling me they wouldn't be able to make interesting enough the build up to a poker pro playing 1 game of poker for $8 million and have that cross over to mainstream t.v? It would actually be one of the few interesting documentries on at the moment, dont worry about there not being enough interest, if the public will watch a documentary on terestial t.v about the exciting world of fizzy drink can recycling they could make an absolute blinder out of this. not only is the amount of money involved gonna help with publicity, or the fact that the story would be quite interesting in itself, but people have become used to watching any old disposable shit that the subject matter is almost irrelevant, if C 4 bang on about a documentary enough i'll put it on reminder eventually regardless of how uninterested i am in it ;D Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 21, 2009, 10:36:18 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2009, 10:40:41 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 22, 2009, 10:19:48 AM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Meant to be out in London that night i think. We'll try and drag you on the train again! Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: AlexMartin on July 22, 2009, 02:18:32 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Meant to be out in London that night i think. We'll try and drag you on the train again! So the non-drinking lasted long then? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Jamier-Host on July 22, 2009, 04:39:35 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Meant to be out in London that night i think. We'll try and drag you on the train again! So the non-drinking lasted long then? Who said i was drinking? ;) I believe that was in the build up to another running contest against Mr Butlin. Naturally he lost again. Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 22, 2009, 07:03:58 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Meant to be out in London that night i think. We'll try and drag you on the train again! So the non-drinking lasted long then? Who said i was drinking? ;) I believe that was in the build up to another running contest against Mr Butlin. Naturally he lost again. Naturally he never paid me.... Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: AlexMartin on July 22, 2009, 11:07:14 PM Oh and there would be a night out fairly early doors sure to alienate all potential sponsors in spectacular fashion. With you leading the charge no doubt! Here to help So selfless! Brighton after goodwood? Meant to be out in London that night i think. We'll try and drag you on the train again! So the non-drinking lasted long then? Who said i was drinking? ;) I believe that was in the build up to another running contest against Mr Butlin. Naturally he lost again. thats because you have female qualities. like, erm, willpower and shit. wp :) Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 22, 2009, 11:41:32 PM Reminds me that time we are in Covent garden i think for Jo's birthday and Jamie is on a non-drink drive again, his clever plan was to get Jo drunk then start drinking 'non-alcoholic' cocktails, they sure were non-alcoholic!
I now always expect the same from Jamie. P.S. Goodwood is going to be messy all week long! Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 23, 2009, 12:55:12 AM Psht why does Ivey think he so good anyway
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Royal Flush on July 23, 2009, 12:59:04 AM Psht why does Ivey think he so good anyway Probably because he has all the money? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 23, 2009, 03:16:32 AM It's just a heater
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: GreekStein on July 23, 2009, 12:39:43 PM Psht why does Ivey think he so good anyway Probably because he has all the money? What do you have then? Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: mckelinho on July 23, 2009, 01:10:59 PM I dont think it'll do to much and im happy with that. I like poker the way it is just now. No need for more fans. The WSOP is big enough and you can get a game in just about any city in the world any night of the week.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 23, 2009, 01:28:15 PM What about the people out looking in?
Do you think people will now view this game differently if ivey were to become a huge star, ie an Idol for the game, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Alan Shearer... ;) Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: dousche on July 23, 2009, 10:07:12 PM if i was a tv producer i would have signed james up to follow him to the FT for a fly on the wall documentary Can't imagine it being that interesting Couple of interviews, probs not enough for a full documentary lol for real? they can make mainstream documentaries about a woman training her dog, dinner parties, people going on coach trips and life on the dole but you're telling me they wouldn't be able to make interesting enough the build up to a poker pro playing 1 game of poker for $8 million and have that cross over to mainstream t.v? It would actually be one of the few interesting documentries on at the moment, dont worry about there not being enough interest, if the public will watch a documentary on terestial t.v about the exciting world of fizzy drink can recycling they could make an absolute blinder out of this. not only is the amount of money involved gonna help with publicity, or the fact that the story would be quite interesting in itself, but people have become used to watching any old disposable shit that the subject matter is almost irrelevant, if C 4 bang on about a documentary enough i'll put it on reminder eventually regardless of how uninterested i am in it ;D louis theroux hosting the documentary would kick ass Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Sack it off on July 24, 2009, 04:36:29 AM He only interviews weird people now.
Title: Re: Phil Ivey in the November 9: What will it do for poker? Post by: Longy on July 24, 2009, 05:20:17 AM He only interviews weird people now. He could follow The Crow to Bicester for the day. |