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Most people know on here that I trade on betfair for my main income now and Boldie's horse staking thing gave me an idea.  Towards the end of last football season I was trying something new on betfair that seemed  to work well and I would like to give it a proper go.

It is very different to what I normally do on betfair so I want to keep it completely seperate from my main account and im wanting people on here to buy a part of the staking fund for this.  I wont charge anything for this as I will gain the knowledge and experience of the market movements which will help me in other areas.  Obviously there are going to be some risks invovled however I would say that it should be virtually impossible for people to lose there investment fully.  

What I want to do is trade the prices of the football games that are being shown live on TV.  The movemenst can be huge and it is very possible to lock in a good profit before the match starts.  I dont want to go into it too much as I dont want others doing what I will be doing and taking any edge away.  I will trade the prices before the match and at Kick Off I will even up the profit, or the loss, so that we win or lose the exact same amount of each of the results.  This way there wont be any huge wins or any huge losses.  I am looking to do this for one football season and then split the profits at the end of the season and then maybe start again.

The good thing about this is that people can invest anything they want from £10 to £10k as I will trade with the whole balance each time and people will simply own a percentage of the bank.  I.e. If 3 people invest £100 and 1 person invests £200 then at the end of the season 3 will get 20% of the bank each and the £200 investor would get 40%.

Payments have to be made via cash or bank transfers as the exchange rates on poker transfers would lower investments and be hassle for me.

I will try to update this thread with our posistion on every game that I trade on.  One thing I wont do is give out the password to the account to anyone, however I will gladly send screenshots to anyone and also open up the account to anyone at DTD for anyone to have a look out.  I feel if I give the password out to people then they can go in any chnage things etc and it could lead to issues.

If anyone has questions then please feel free to fire away and ill try to answer anything I can.

Also if anyone would like to stay anonymous in this then please just PM me and ill try to keep it quiet.


Investments so far: £3,250

is enough traded on each tv game to ensure you'll always be able to get the full amount on? I assume the answer is yes

Huge amounts are traded on premiership games, championship games too although slightly less.

yeah, I kinda asked the wrong question.

should've been

will you be trading lower league/foreign games as well and is enough traded on these to get the full amount on?

£500 please

What I do only works for live games that are shown on TV.  So pretty much any prem game on sat/sun, plus mid week European games and Cup matches

The Spanish Games on Sat and Sun Nights LIVE usually has close to a Million£ In the Match Odds section alone before half time.

Yeah, sorry should have said it will be English games only.

The norm for a prem game at weekend thats live on sky was around £3.5 million - so we shouldnt have a prob .... unless Flushy wants an interest

Whats the term of the staking? The whole season?

As I read it, we get 100% of any profits?

The trading will last for one football season.

The profits will be split evenly per people investments.  I.e. you invest 5% of our total bank then you will get 5% of what we end up with.   Im not charging anything for this nor taking any percent of the profit.  However if I make a small fortune then if you all want to club together to send me to the Seychelles for a forntight then thats up to you ;)

The joy of this is the compound interest.


We currently have investment of £1500

"I want to keep it completely seperate from my main account"

Does this mean you will be opening a new account to do these trades?

Yes, I already have the account open but unfunded. 

This way I get to keep it seperate and if anyone ever wants to looks at the trading then it will be easy to see as it wont be mixed up with what I do normally.

Can we invest/add to our fund at any time?

What if the site goes down before you can close out a position?

Any back up plans (Like a betdaq acct)?

Yes but it will be a fixed amount.  I will make sure that it is a fixed percentage of whatever our current bank is so that the admin is quite easy.

I.e. if after 4 weeks we have £3400 then anyone wanting to invest will have an option of investing £34, £340, £170 etc etc

I have a trading phone line I can call.

If the site does go down then I do have an acount at virtually every bookie and a betdaq account.  However I have never seen the site go down around kick off time of a football game.

that might need a rething as it actually really complicates things. admin is not easy at all as you'd actually be selling 0.99%, 9.09% or 4.76% and have to alter everyone else accordingly.

you're not selling a % of 3400, you're selling a % of 3400 + new investment

Any ball park guesses on possible/expected returns on the year?

oh yeah, but you kinda now what I mean though

Very tough to say Woodsey.

I trialed a very similar thing towards end of last season with me and a mate doing it and we trebled our money in 3 months, however slightly more risk was involved in what we were doing.  With this I wont be taking any risk at all, even if we make a loss on a market before the game starts I will even everything up so we make the same profit or loss on every result.

At a very guide I would be annoyed if people didnt make 5 or 6 times their money through the whole season.

Ta

Another difficult one I guess but I'll ask anyway. What are the chances that we will lose on the year?

I dont want to sound over confident but virtually impossible.

I know which way the market moves and generally made a very good profit doing this.  I ended up losing on two markets last time out of about 20 matches.  One was due to West Hame fielding a completly weakened side in a match and losing at home I think and the second time was me being greedy and not taking a small loss each time.

If a market goes against me we will probably lose around 4-5% of the bank, so it will take a lot to go wrong to lose the lot.

OK great when you planning on starting it?

Depending on interest probably this Sunday as its the Charity Shield.

But definatly the first weekend of the prem the week after.  I know the championship starts this Friday but I will leave it till the prem starts.

has the charity shield got a broadcaster yet then?

yeah live on sky ..... surely???

Swear I saw an advert for it the other day. 

I'm gonna sell my fucking kidney.

it was in the setanta package. FA were trying to sell it on its own and hadn't done so a week ago but quite possible sky have it now

You obviously don't spend as much time on Betfair as me   :'(

I'll give you £1.99 for it? You can keep it for the moment, I get to have it any time I need it in the future, deal?

gg cardrunners!

I'll give you a tenner for your nose.

Are you kidding? Good nose meat goes for 50p a kilo in some countries!..he can get 20£ for that in Ethiopia!

Just seen the advert.

Sky sports 2 @ 2.45

  ;goodluck; ;goodluck;

 £200 for me pls.

My schnozzle could see Ethiopia through a tough winter. Want more than £20

Had a good amount of interest in this so its a definate goer

Put me down for £1k Neil pls mate.

You been rummaging down the back of the sofa?

Got face value for your nose then?

Welcome aboard bud, you got my bank details?

Sure am xferring u a fking penny now!

Couldnt Resist the oppurtunity especially with a magical pun

rotflmfao

;applause;

VWP  rotflmfao

any more for any more?

Are you starting it this Sunday?   

Im going to try but if not then it will be the first premiership game next weekend.

is this a go for tomorrow?

Sadly not.  Still waiting for a lot to pay so will start this offically with the first premiership game next weekend

If anyone hasnt paid can you please make sure I have the cash by Wednesday please so we can target this weekend.

Thanks.

Hi Blatch,

Long time lurker, finally decided to register.

Just wondered if it's too late to invest in this?

Mark

Only just seen this...I'll come in for £100 man

Anyone is welcome but I need the cash ASAP.  I really need the cash to be with me by Wednesday so can you transfer it today please?

Welcome aboard :)

Latest Update

I have recieved £1700 so far from people and that is currently being transfered to Betfair today.  The account has been set up and will go ready to go by Wednesday.

I have decided that anyone can join at any time but obviously they will not be entitled to any profit made up until the day they join.  I have quite a few people that have expressed interest but not got round to paying yet.

So its looking good for a start this weekend.

Gl to us :)

Hope you don't mind me mentioning this on my blog.       http://hu4rollzyo.blogspot.com

Well I wouldnt mind if you had invested but otherwise its a bit a cheeky ;)

I do however only want Blonde investors.

Like I said in my blog I'm definetely going to invest but just working out how much I want in for as it seems really good value. Yeah most of the people who read my blog are members/posters/contributors on all the UK forums, so that won't be a problem :) glglgl and i'll be in contact asap.

Ok we are officially underway.

The money hit the account at Betfair today and although im still waiting for a bit more to come through from some people im going to start with what weve got.

As mentioned before ill try to update thi thread everytime something happens.

GL us :)

Should be fun, I'm hoping a I learn a bit about trading in the process so cant wait to hear your post match notes.

GL GL

Seeing as I know FA about trading I thought I'd ask, will you post updates on this thread saying what you have done etc (obv after you've done it and the match is finished)?

Post before event after you have placed bets! :)

Please dont post on this thread for people like Boldie. The fact he won't share his bets/results with the forum is one thing that infuriates me. Make your own forum and password protect it imo.

Oh, and good luck Blatch.

I wouldnt worry about it, if you went to their forum all you'd see is......................  ;booder;

cos they went busto at cheltnham obv but keep pretending on here that theyre chopping it right off every week ::)

All ill be posting is he profit and loss of each event that I have traded on.

Cant give away any secrets now ;)

Lets GO GO GO .........with Boldie and Blatch :D

this time next year Rodders..........

No worries mate..just thought I'd ask as I know FA about trading.

Problem is what I do is quite simple. If i give it all away then everyone on here can start doing it any taking away my margins which isnt fair on the people who have invested in this.

Of course :) GL mate...I'll probs come in a bit later (for a small amount obv as i'm not Multai.)

fyp

All money has been received now apart from £50 which is on its way.

We have 14 current investors totalling £3,250.  I now have this in the Betfair account and were ready to start on Saturday.  First game will be the Chelsea game and then onto the Manure game in the evening.

I have 5 or 6 people that have said they want in but havent got the funds to me yet.  Anyone is still more than welcome and im guessing quite a few will want in when were doing well.  Anyone wanting to invest after the start will be charged a slight premium as I thnk its slightly unfair on the people that have been in from the start.

Lets hope everything goes well and and were off to a flyer.

I should mention that this is a one season long thing.  If it goes well I may do another next season but I dont want people wanting to withdraw their money half way through.  However if people have a real urgency for the cash then any money will take 2 weeks to get it out and to the individual.  I will have to withdraw via cheque and then cash the cheque and then transfer the money.

Lets gogogogogogogo

you're just jealous because you still have the racist ban on you ;)

Everton v Arsenal will be manure?

GLwith this

Forgot about this I'll have £200 please Blatch. Send me bank details please

Yep, manure are playing on the Sunday in the match before the Spurs v Liverpool game.

Got to agree with Rooks here.

If boldie isn't going to post his tips he should keep his spam off this forum imo.

Ok we are officially off and running.

Im still waiting for the last bit of money to clear through the system but I have used what I got.

Chelsea position: -

Chelsea +41.68
Draw +41.66
Hull +41.66

Next game is the Manure one tomorrow

GL.

gotta be happy with the last minute goal for the extra £0.02

we run good

Manuere game

+42.34 every result

How many televised Premiership games on Sky this season?  Is it something like 92?

£3,700 return then?

Or does the winnings get reinvested meaning there's more and more being used each time therefore increasing the potential return?

The joy of compound interest !!

Nice solid start anything on liverpool game?

I'm as thick as pigshit, whats compound interest, in betfair terms?

Its where I use theprofit from previous wins on the next trade.  I.e. instead of me trading with £3500 im now trading with £3582 or similar.  The added bits add an extra 10k to the pot potentially by the end of the season.

 ;applause; :)up

.......nice start!

Official starting balance was £3,480 after a bit of late investment.

This weekend made a profit of £82.32 so approx a 2.3% increase.  Personally I feel this is a low return and things will improve but to give a guide to those who wanted one; a return of 2.3% each weekend would see our final bank balance be £7042 assuming a 30 week long season.

Are you doing week games?

possibly ... ill let people know if i do

Interesting blog for you guys to follow

http://psychoff.blogspot.com/

Nice standard to aim at.

Good luck with your trading.

Hey guys

Sorry been a busy couple of days for me.

Managed to trade a profit on the Liverpool game tonight of £38.87 all round.

Our current bank now stands at £3,599.25

All money has now been received and is in the account so we are all systems go from here on in.

Good work - onwards and upwards!

Who's this Chris, any info on the blog?

He is trading but there is a lot of luck.  He openly admits he sees how the game is going and waits to back a team etc. 

All mine is done pre kick off and finished before the game starts.

We also have a new investor coming in for £500.

i presume they are paying 500 plus (500/starting total) x profit so far???

Sort of

They are paying 500 and I will work out the % of the bank that he owns.

I.e. he owns 500 of the £4422 or whatever there is now i.e. 11.3%

so you have to recalculate every shareholders % each time someone joins. sounds fun

Yo forgot to get back to you about this, doh!

If i xfer you money tonight am i in for this weekends games or shall i wait till after the weekend?

xfer to me tonight and ill put the money in forn you for this weekend

I did try to text you ;)

Ok admission of guilt needed.  I bottled doing the Arsenal game and turns out would have nicked a quick £100 or so and also on the WBA game yesterday which would have been fantastic.  Its weird trading with other peoples money as you want to be 100% certain of the movements.  The WBA could have given us around £180 yesterday so maybe a lesson there.

On the plus side its been a sucessful time on the Chelski game.  Our book reads: -

Fulham  +75.75
Chelski  +75.97
Draw +75.75

Current bank is £3599.25 + the above (- commission)

Current balance @ £3671.41

Next game is tomorrow with Liverpool v Villa

So what did we start of with btw ?

Feel free to take some risks if neccessary ! :)

Started with £3480

Next time i get to 200/400 i'll take a bunch pls Blatch lol

Made some good figures on the Liverpool game tonight

Liverpool +154.64
Villa +154.59
Draw +154.59

Starting balance £3480

Current Profit £338.32 approx. 9.7%

nice

are there particular teams that suit your system more than others?

yes ;)

lol. that's actually about as detailed an answer as I expected

good good - would hate to dissapoint

Very well done thus far Neil Blatchly.

Sigh, my money kicks in after tonight I believe... Oh well at least you in good form ;)

Still not cleared

how do you do it Blatch.

do you just see that the market is moving, for example Liverpool move from 1.44 to 1.43
then lump the balane on at 1.43
and then just wait till it hits 1.4/1.41 and make the trade.

How do you know they wont just insta drift out to like 1.45, youre incred.

Just double checked - Its definately left my bank, got told it be with you today - useless feckers... can you let me know tomorrow either way, sry for hassle

General knowledge of how Betfair works and how the gambling industry on the whole works :)

Will do

this is fast becoming my fav thread............................... ;tightend; ;D

Are their times where you will accept going all red on all 3 outcomes?

If the price has gone the wrong way for me I will make all outcomes a loss just before Kick off.

One thing for certain that I have guaranteed as its other peoples money is that I will make all 3 outcomes have the same profit or loss just before kick off.

If he doesn't then that'd be gambling not trading.

Sandy

Well, I'm impressed.  But I expected no different.

Good work fella.

good work, wish i was involved.

Hat's off.

Mighty impressive.

u still can be

lol, not with my C/A balance.

glgl

Any chance you'll look after your former stakers when you get there?

Blatch i am so retarded i forgot again, will probs leave till after WCOOP then come smashing in wiht $200k

Only putting in 1% of your winnings???

all cleared.  You own 11.57% of what we have

This, very nice going.

Good start Blatch

This thread is going to get allot of hits

wicked, thks

Doesn't that make it a bit tricky for you to work out at the end of season given that original stakers percentages would have to change? Or it is that there's now 111.3% to split at the end of the season? You've probably got it all under control... ;)

Sorry guys bit of a late update but managed to nick a quick £76.32 on the Barcelona game.

Gonna try and do something on the Manure game this weekend but it could be a tough one.

Before you guys get overly excited todays trading was a bit of a one off.  I managed to get in at the perfect timing and also think I managed to get a few bets from someone making a mistake.

Anyway, managed to get a total profit of just over £400 on the Manure vs Arsenal game today.

After a bit of extra investment this week we had a starting balance of £4,180

Current bank : £5,025.45

Profit : £845.45

Profit % : 20.22%

£400 in one game

well done Blatch

;tightend; how the hell do you do this :D

nice work blatch, wp

Portsmouth : +99.00
Man City : +99.29
Draw + 99

Blatch is this going better than you expected? Just wondered why you didt just use your own money?

Impressive stuff btw ;hattip;

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ponzi scheme imo...

;)

Yes and no.  Going well but still quite a small sample so far although did trial it last season briefly.

Why I didnt use my own cash ......

a) Help build a community spirit on here
b) Im a nice person and I like making other people money
c) A chance to grim some blondes

or basically cos I didnt want to risk my own cash on betfair without knowing it works.  What I currently do on there is different and works very well for me and therefore wanted to keep this very seperate.  Also if I was my own money id be tempted to go in and trade with it normally etc and would be a nightmare to monitor just how sucessful it realy is.  With this being blonde money and only used for one thing from a seperate account its very easy to monitor.

Current balance is now £5,121.96

 Very impressed fella. 

Keep this going for the season and this looks like a bloody good investment imo.

will you be grimming everyone or just certain investors? what criteria will you use to decide who to grim?

Grimming those who ask too many questions seems a good place to start

I hope that's not how it works, I can't even delete my question now you've quoted it

Full grimming quota yet to be finalised ... after all I have a full season to decide

Deffo should grim Greekstein.

If you have a good season, would you consider doing this again next season, perhaps with the incentive (for you) to take a percentage of the profits?

Its been asked by a few actually and im yet to decide. I probably will though

Sadly in the Peterbourugh game tonight I only got £979 taken out of a £2600 lay.

Peterborough : +57.50
Palace : +57.68
Draw : +57.68

Had all the £2600 been taken last night we would have had £160 ish all round but still profit is profit.

Blonde hall of fame awaits surely?!?

wp bud!

Still waiting for your run goodability to come on board

George you invested in my plo cash staking and not this? You must hate money!...

Get on msn pls papertits.

dude I'll speak to you in the week re investment!!! U 321ing this weekend?

No tuesday lunch!?

LMFAO

I aint putting it on the slate lol

Probably 321ing but thinking of playing the paradise main event in London

Put it on the slate you tight bastard!

what tourney is that?

http://www.theintclub.com/upcoming-events/index.php

dtd will prob be a bigger first prize!

Probably but for the same 1st prize it will be 1/10 of the field , plus the 10K added

DTD saturday then day 1b at Paradise if you don't make day 2 DTD?

Genius Idea

Thats exhausted his supply of them for the next 30 years.

Im up for this

busy weekend= GUKPT cardiff starts thurs

Im sure you are lol

rofl.

I'll even take half my own action in the £1k!

Ull be playing day 2 sunshine

true dat.

How'd I miss this?! Room for another Blatch?

Always room for your rungoodament dollars bud

JUst let me know how much you want in for and ship it over to me and when it clears ill let you know

Cool. I'll come in for a lucky bag. Looks like a fun punt :)

PM me your details and I'll ship it over tomoz?

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Running good just got better!

I'd like to invest. Can you pm me you bank details and i'll make the bank payment on Monday please?

I'm in! GoGoGoGoGo Blatch! :)

Sadly nick your money wont clear in time for todays game but hopefully will do for the next weekends game.

OK, no worries m8

England +124.28
Slovakia +124.19
Draw +124.19

Have had another £1800 worth of investment this week so will update thread during week with totals and % holdings for everyone.

Very nice going.

AS long as Slovenia don't win you should be in clover :)

I'm sitting next to Doctor Blatchly now in cash, hope no-one minds he's buying me dinner from todays profits. kkthxbye

And me.

Did our stake extend to the England vs Australia cricket game bud?

Sadly not bud - that was a different account and my money.

Could trade with this account but wouldnt be able to do my own stuff on the side as usual.  This account will be for football pre kick off only.

All £1658 is for me :)

Ok had a lot more new investment here.

Current bank is now at £7,594.96

I have managed to work out that if you were in from the start then your profit is 28.47%.

Good to hear,

Few q's if you dont mind -

how many investers do we have now in terms of raw figures - like 23 investers 6500 ?

Also am i right in think that the more more in the kitty the higher you will be investing per trade
so say the average profit was £100 per trade befor it will now be £120 etc ?

Anyway great work so far keep it up

I now have 22 different investors.

I will always hopefully use every penny for each trade.  As a group we make 1/100th of the stake per point difference in the trade.  We currently therefore will make £75.94 per point margin per trade.  To answer the question it will keep going up as the bank increases.

cool, thanks :)

A+++++ Would buy again.  As advertised.

I am interested to know, is all the trading done pre kick off? If something went wrong would it be possible that a large chunk of the investment could be lost?

Great stuff so far. Congrats!

Yes, he's only trading pre-kick off. 

Something did go wrong with one game.  We only made £30 profit...

Great work - keep it up Sir!!!!

Yes it could go horribly wrong but we should only lose a fraction more than what we normally make on any one game.

sounds amazing, are you sure this isnt ponzi?

I would try to answer if I knew what you meant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

Get on dragon's den with this imo,would be epic

THIS!

JJ didnt exactly lay the best groundwork for you.

JJ didn't offer 25% return on the investment after a few weeks!!!

Who's JJ?

JJ Hazan, guy who went on Dragon's Den trying to get staked for high stakes live donkaments.

I would love to say it is but sadly ... its not

did u trade the croatia game blatch?

No sorry bud, but good news is your money has cleared into the account now

Has mine cleared yet Blatch?

yes mate

Dont get too excited here boys: -

Birmingham + 22.48
Villa +22.15
Draw +22.48

Can't sniff at a profit! Well done!

Impressive

Blatch - are you doing CL games as well as Premiership ones?

FYP

[  ] I'm sure not thinking about stuff aside from personal gain.

Yes bud

Just about to even things up for Chelski game and ill update the thread.

Looking like about £170 profit ish

Chavski + 168.83
Porto +169.05
Draw +169.05

;applause;

Have you actually lost on a single match yet Blatch? I assume thus far this experiment has gone better than expected?

Well done either way old boy

very impressive

+1

(as long as Chelsea don't win ffs!!)

Not yet mate and to be honest there shouldnt be any reason to lose if I keep doing what im doing.

Only reasons for losing is making a big error or team news going against me that im unaware of.

Sorry guys didnt get into till KO in second half and had to trade so only updating now

Arsenal game made us £45.26

Everton +302.68
Draw +302.68
AEK +301.93

Not bad at all sir ;hattip;

just too good

Alright I suppose

you sick fk...teach me!

WOW

It's OK.........when you post results you dont need to put in the plus sign :D

Ill shock you one day ;)

this pls

immense

is it still possible to get in on this? if so how much and how do you want the money?

"I've just had this brilliant idea that will get us out of the shit this credit crunch has caused. Take all the money the Treasury has left and give it to this guy called Neil Blatchley"

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01000/Brown-Darling_1000051c.jpg)

"There is no money left Darlingl. We spent it all on your eyebrow dye"

legend... wp sir

teach me and i cut you in % of future profits!! pweeese

Teach me and I promise I won't do it anyway cus I'm a lazy *****.

I just want to know how you do it that's all.

If you told just one person how you did it would it effect how much you make ?

I personally dont care how he does it (would be nice if he told me) as long as he is happy to do this next season, obv with him getting a nice cut.

Shotgun I'm that one person.

Thinly veiled 'I make so much money I can turn down a licence to print more' brag.

This has the potential to be the best grimming ever known.

I know grimming is usually frowned upon but this one would make BoB.

Greedy f**ks!!!!

It would be classic, especially as he is getting more and more interest with every post. He is probably just going 'lets say I won £128 on the man u match' today and see how much more they send me.

Screenprints please Blatch, you mf'ing grimmer lol

More a 'I have on more than one occasion, accidently put my backers stake in the odds box  by accident while trying to quickly lay something off on betfair, so probably better off letting someone else do it for me' post

Yeah, I'm guessing that Blatch doesn't do that...

grrrrr ive been rumbled.

To be honest lads were only £36 up so far.  I thought if I said I was making loads then I would attract about £50k in invesment and then I could go off to Vegas again.

Blatch tried to teach meut I didnt get it :(

FYP

Chelski + 304.88
Spurs + 305
Draw +305

whip it out

sick

You're my hero.

Current balance is just over £8.6k

As a lot of you are anonymous investors I cant go into indivual holdings but if you were in from the start then a £500 investment would now be worth £911.48.  Hopefully everyone can work out there own shares from that.  Its roughly a 82.29% profit level so far.

For those of you that invested late, I cant be bothered to work it all out at the moment but your doing ok too ;)

Carlsberg don't do investments...

Just let me know when i can buy that Spanish villa

Kthx

immensely impressive.

Wow, just read the whole thread.
Just one question, how?

Can i start booking my Vegas trip for next June?

 ;applause;

Sorry guys, wasnt around pre kick off to post.

Liverpool game game us: -

Liverpool +320.00
Leeds +319.55
Draw +319.55

Lovin' your work.

ha,

I tried it on the Scum v City game, and with a bet and of £300 a few days before i was dissapointed to only make a guaranteed all green of just £16 when i laid off just before the match started. I think the price had only come in like 2 or 3 points. But then i realised if your bet is £3,000 you could guarantee 10 x £16, £160, just like that.

Mensa here we come...  ;)

Thinking about getting a loan to invest in this  ;carlocitrone;

Sick man blatch very nice work

Hey all

Its an admin nightmare when I get people investing at different times as I have to work out everyones individual holdings again.  Because of this I am going to stop taking new investments under £500 from two weeks time.  I will open up investment time for anyone under £500 around xmas time but anyone wanting £500 or more can do so at anytime.

Today I worked out everyone current holding so if anyone would like to know then please post on here and ill let you know.

As a rough guide a £500 investment from the start would now be worth £970, so almost double.

Someone call Gordon Brown and tell him please :-)

yes please sir blatch,  think i missed a couple of games so interested to see what difference is ...thks

great going so far, v impressive!

Got you at 889 at moment bud

Don't think you would get accepted for another one this yr.

lol

sweeeeet, ta

LOL I have a good job innit  ;D,Just don't have a few k spare which is what i'd like to put into this

Everton +176.3
Draw +176.17
Pompey +176.17

Gonna try to nick a quick buck or two on the Arse game too.

Managed to nick a few pennies on the Arse game.

Fulham +121.9
Draw+121.9
Arse +122

keep it up matey

Man City +437.26
Draw +437
West Ham +437

sick :| your a beast

You are my idol

+1 ;)

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anyone else confused by this?

Cat is bowing to your greatness obv.

I thought Kin was calling you a pussy tbh mate

I thought i was sending him to sleep

if it was giffed it would look like
 
 ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend;

If it was yootoobed it would look like:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0

This.

Kick his arse next time you see him.

Dude is the min still 500??? I want in!

lol how are u not in yet!?

errrrrr- well Blatch was waiting for 50k's worth of investment, then was going to say he lost it all on one game and grim the lot of ya but now he's changed his mind

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

In my next life, I want to understand things like this.  I won't ask because I know you said you don't want to ruin things for yourself and fair enough.

I've tried backing a team and hoping the odds come in for a small percentage profit, usually they start to drift and I have a sweat for a few minutes during the match until my odds get matched.  I've also got lucky a couple of times where's there's been an early goal in my favour, again getting me out of it.

I tried laying tonight.  Arsenal at 1.27, surely too short, plus they've traded lower and I'm we're not renowed for punishing a side, especially in the CL.  Lay yesterday at 1.27, back again at 1.30 prekick off, lovely.

37 mins in to the game and I manage to lay off!  Not exactly Blatchesque and 37 more mins of squeeky bum time.  I'm up nicely overall (Semi brag) but it's all 'against the rules' and I've been lucky, I'll lose it all soon I expect.

I've read things on trading on BF, I've seen vids like the Betangel ones, I just don't get how to read a market.

Respect to you Blatch, I'll probably leave it for the professionals, keep up the good work :)

Silo, you're too tall to trade.

Why have a 37 min sweat? WHy not just take your 3 point swing and lock in a small profit for no sweat?

Why do you need to understand how its done when Sir Blatch has so kindly offered to do all the hard work for you... Hand over your money, sit back, smoke a cigar and wait for payday

....and then pray he offers to go again next year :)

such a sick brag.  It went down, it never hit 1.3 till 37 mins, I'd have had to accept a loss if I'd backed at a lower price.


Because I'd like to be able to do it myself of course!

No rub intended, I didnt read the post properly.  I thought you could have backed back at 1.3 pre kick off.

Knowing the markets is the real key here and then trusting your knowledge.  I didnt trust myself today and bottle doing the Liverpool game but deep down knew they would drift.  They went from evens to 2.3 and back in to 2.2, could have made a nice sum.

Arse were never going to drift today although Man City were always going to yesterday.  JUst knowledge of the markets.

:D I know, was only joking.  Just thought 1.27 was hugely short.  I may get there, maybe!

I'm sure if you spent some time experimenting you could find the answer Silo... If you spend enough time watching the markets it must just be a case of spotting patterns that you can use to your advantage.. I am purely guessing here, but I would imagine the fact the games blatch is targeting are televised is significant... eg armchair punters have tendancy to back home teams  just before kick off ... or something along these lines

Just read this back and realised it might sound like I was saying there is nothing to it etc.... Obv far from it and realise Blatch has got mad skillz, that us mere mortals can only dream of :)

Nice addition :)

Yeah takes mad skillz to know how and which market is going to shift. Blatch is the master.  ;applause;

come on... give us a nugget.  Just a little hint of how it's done :-)

do i need to be able to add up more than two numbers in my head to be able to do it?

yeah fair play to you blatch i quit my job to do betfair a good few years back i had a nice wedge to trade with i used to mainly trade tennis cos that was my my main knowlledge i managed to last 8 months  before i self destructed and lost my discipline  by becoming a mug punter when it went tits up , my worst one was trying to pinch £200 pound on a tim hen man match when he was  2 sets and abreak of serve up i backed him for 2grand at 1.10 and guy came back and beat him , in hind site i should ahve done what you are doing now cos i would have had  enough money to make an easy few quid with little risk .  well done mate keep it up

Blatch 'is' Tennis, its probably him sitting there with your 2k!

ha ha probably but it was a good few years back

the best thing is i am a liverpool supprter and it was the same day we came back to beat ac milan on penalites and if you  layed milan  when was 3 nil for a £200 quid you would  have won £20k :-(

Id love to know how many people did..

money buyers, the bookmakers dream.

i agree  , but i strayed from what i usually did  which is where the discpline comes in , when i was sticking to my rules i was making a steady profit

I wonder how much Neil will scoop on the Everton match tomorrow.

Big amounts matched on them @ 1.6 and 1.61. now they are 1.68 and drifting even further as we speak as news came to light that 9 players are injured.

The thing I don't get is this. If everton are drifting out surely the other team are drifting in.

Although there hasn't been a loss yet surely it has to be possible if the drift goes the wrong way??

50 : 50 you win or you dont?

Definetly. Although in this circumstance, it was pretty clear that 1.6 was too short on Everton when less than a year ago in the Champions League BATE drew twice with Juve, lost 1-0 to Real and beat Anderlecht 2-1 and Everton have 9 first team players out injured. And it will be a freezing cold night in Belarus. Cue a 5-0 Everton win now ive said that.

Neils just too good to get it wrong.

Or personally as im praying, he actually has £0 left and this is just the best grim in Blonde history when he claims youve all gone multai and buggers off.

Already worked it out with Stu and Matt, he is going to pay everyone out like 200% at end of the year so next season people are lumping in 6 digits, then he will do the runner, i will salute the man.

Im trying to impress you so I can get away with nicking 7 digits minimum

if u had placed a £4000 lay of everton @ 1.6 earlier today.
your liability would be £2400

if u now had £3576 on everton @ 1.79 your return would be £2,825.

Thereby guaranteeing a profit of £425 if they won
and a profit on your stake if they didnt of £424
Therefore guaranteeing a profit of at least £424 whatever the outcome.
(not taking commission into account).

So sick.

But the impressive thing is, he has never been wrong about the price movement.

I don't want to brag, but I'm 100% sure I could make a healthy profit doing what Blatch is doing.

But I'm equally 100% sure I would get the market wrong about 25% of the time and lose money on several individual games.

The fact he is NEVER wrong is breathtakingly impressive.

Am I missing something here? what happens if they draw?
Can we ignore that because we collect the stake on the lay bet?

yes.

An example of how to make money trading football


I back team A for £1000 at Odds of 2.1

If team A win I collect          £2100

The price moves in and I now lay Team A
For £1000 at odds of 2.0

If Team A Wins I have to pay out       £2000

I have now made £100 profit on Team A winning.


My position is now

Team A wins         +£100
Team B Wins       £ nil
Draw          £ nil



I now lay Team A for £50 at 2.00

My position is now

Team A wins         +£ 50
Team B Wins       +£ 50
Draw          +£ 50


This is a simple example of how it works, in reality you use software such as ‘Betangel’ to do the sums for you and help with greening your position.

If you know which way the price will move you can make money.

Do you not feel like a lie in!?

This is the thing I was getting at yesterday.  Tuesday I lay Arsenal at 1.27 and cry as they start to shorten, yesterday I back Chelsea at 1.36 and again cry as the market goes out!  Seriously, how is 1.27 too big and 1.36 too short?   I can't get it right.

Blatch knows, he'd da man

Like Camel says i think i can work out about 75% of the time which way the market is going to move.
It is just amazing that since the start of the season Blatch has not got one wrong!!!

Fair play to the guy - he certainly knows what he is doing.

[ x ] i am determined to work out how he does it

[   ] I will work out how he does it before i do my betfair roll

I struggle to even login to betfair, so I just hope Blatch will do this next season (for a cut/fee of course)

damm i wondered why they were availaible at 1.77

wish i had read this before putting my whole roll on them

THIS!!!!!!

Everton have now drifted to 1.85 / 1.86 ...........could be a record result from the Blatch $$$$$

do you mind some of us idiots got on when we thought 1.77 was value

i am going skint and i dont like it

Shouldn't an average Everton side still do ok in this match?

I think the price will come in when the Everton team is named.  Even with the players out they should still be able to field a decent side.

So can we start backing with a view to laying off prior to kick off?

Come on Blatch, share one time :D

This is a classic swimming against the tide bet.

Everton are an amazing price. Forgot the arbing mubo jumbo, just lump on!

Into 1.71 so far  ;D

sorry i chickened out laid off at 1.71 so make a small profit no matter the result

also forgot this is micky mouse cup where teams can be anything just look at villa

WD guys. Like Neil wasn't insufferable enough!!!

lol Everton losing already!  Nice lay off Ironblatch

so glad i laid this off

only problem is whole roll is on shaktar

had chances to lay this off for small profit but on gamble

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

gambooool gl

fck that laid it off at 1.02

i can sleep sound now

How is betting against Everton ever a gamble?

;surrender;



Consider this charming endorsment withdrawn -


:(

rotflmfao fair point.

cant believe that people are willing to risk 50+ million on other team not coming back
did they not see milan liverpool
crap team fight back after losing early goals

It's Everton ffs.

no its skatnar game i am talking about

SKATNAR FTW

Tihs!

TQF

Blatch.. droppe du an e-mail... whats £500 get you now?   Only just seen this but I'll stick £500 in if its still open.

Cheers,

Jim (Wonky)

That's why I leave sports betting to others :D

Sorry guys been out all day playing golf.

Could have made more on this but as wasnt in all day didnt want to take too many risks.

Everton +272
Draw +272.26
Bate +272.26

Haha comedy.

Shocking behaviour, I only hope your backers forgive you.

Yeh 272 pfft, basically a loss.

probably about £2,000 profit.

He's my hero no more.

Unless he can make £500+ on the chelski v Liverpool on Sunday

MBN , whats your handicap?Any big wins/losses on the golf course? I guess you dont just play £10 front nine , £10 back nine and £20 overall?

2 or 3 games ago, £500 got you £970ish

Id say just now £500 would return about £1100ish

i bet he does lol.  me demps and rooks were saying how com it is tht we can lose so much @ poker and not even care, but then stood on the 18th tee needing to tie the hole to ship £10 rumbles you to the very core.  just ask James 'Royal_Flush' Dempsey (gg, gtfo)

A+ rub

Such a sick rub.

It's true that at LNP me the oracle and jones play golf, i do £20 in cold blood to Jones and shell out, i was dev'd. Two hours later i lost £1k to Roland on random flips and just didnt care at all, lol so ridic.

Why cant u lose flips to ppl who need the money

Im actually a bit of a sicko at golf.

I play off 24 officially but we normally play: -

£5 nearest pins on par 3's with rollovers
£5 longest drives on par 5's with rollovers
£5 backgammon per hole.  Basically 5 pounds on each hole and either player can double the stakes at any stage, then other player loses the 5 or accepts and its now worth 10 and so on.  Very easy to have a 5 foot putt for £320.  We also roll these over if last hole was tied.

We have a joker where on one hole you play for debt to be doubled or wiped.

oh and stroke play for food and drinks after.

Plus flips for paying for the round and the buggy

Ha incred, we have to have a round soon!

How do you play rollovers in a longest drive ......

errr...nobody made it off the Tee so it rolls over to the next par 5.....I mean wtf

nobody hit the fairway obv...

this

Oh, i was assuming that it would rollover if people hit drives the exact same length  ;)

Manure +123
Draw +123.58
Sunderland +123.58

How com would it be if Blatch binked at DTD and managed to make us all a profit on each of the TV games over the weekend?

Thought he was out?

dunno, havent read the updates yet, oops

lol, intentional rub imo.

fml,

at half time I was

Man U +10
Sunderland -49
Draw -49

1 more please Man U!

so you had £50 @ 1/5?

yes

gg me

 :o ;gobsmacked; ;dingdell;

I was spinning up from my last £15, thought this was an easy tenner!

This is why I shouldn't be allowed to gamble

Thx for your money Silo. I'll reinvest it [  ] wisely.

a.ferdinand injury time O.G, live football so rigged

Thats the beauty of this type of trading, it doesn't matter if A Ferdinand scored 4 Hattrick and 17 own goals, the bet isn't result dependant.

The Profit/loss is levelled out pre kickoff

awesome

Neil... u get my shippage?  Was mildly inhebriated when i sent and could well have ended up in some randoms bank a/c :)

Ta,

Jim

Ummm possibly, I got two lots of £500 from different people on Friday

lol the ref on it was Wonky

Blatch, this sounds fun.  I play off 24 too.  Can I play? :-)

General question about trading/sports betting for blatch or anyone else for that matter.

Are there any sports trading community website/forums like blonde is for poker? I always imagined sports trading to be quite an insular activity where you have to teach yourself, rather than learn from others, am I wrong? I bet Im wrong.

a bit right and a bit wrong, arbing is a differnt thing, would help to have someone teach you that i suppose if you wanted to get into it but you'd suss it yourself after a while anyway, whereas recreational trading, laying, whatever you're doing is the same as punting really, know your shit and you'll be a winner

just youtube football/tenns/racing trading and theres loads of vids, theres als loads of sites and blogs about.

The thing about Betfair and trading is hat there are soooooo many different ways to make a profit and everyone has their owns methods etc.

Its finding what works for you and going with it.  Its taken me a few years but I have different trading techniques for different sports and its mainly due to the market acting differently from sport to sport.  This football one is something new which is why I wanted to share it with Blonde etc.

Any action on yesterdays games blatch, or were you taking a well earned break ;)

sounds like fun :) i play off 17 can i play plz?

You are a sicko  rotflmfao

I put enough pressure on myself when I play let alone with big blinds riding on it!

Well get a round sorted sometime soon bud, get a few of us from here going

Have avoided doing the Man City game tonight.  City, being such a new side is a bit of a gamble as I dont know how the betfair market reacts to them yet.  I was pretty certain the other day when they played West Ham at home but I want to gauge a few of their markets yet when away from home to see what happens with them before I start trading them as well.

Sundays game wasnt a great one to trade with Chelsea and Liverpool, add the fact I was busy most Saturday and all of Saturday night and again Sunday Morning means it was a quiestish weekend trading wise.

Will also be a quiet week now as International week but we will be back in full flow when the teams return after the internationals.

FYP

hahaha qft

Back after the International break and its a slow start but I have been busy in Ireland

Wigan +72
Draw +72
Man City +73

Beats a loss... good man! :)

I remember a few pages ago you mentioned that you left Man City out as you were unsure how the market would react to there new squad. Was the profit being so low a reflection of your uncertainty or didn't you have a lot of time to trade?

I only ask as i really can't suss out man city at the moment either, they done my coupon today, i really don't know why the fuck i took them when im still unsure of them.



[X] wish i had a track record that made £72 profit seem low!

A little combination of both but a few other rules I tend to follow applied today.

I take it you cant divulge for fear of leeking any secret trading tips?

Ive been following this thread from the start and been watching the Live footy markets for most of the season so far, from 24hrs before kick off up to kick off itself, ive been logging most of the info on spread sheets and will do so till the new year then i think ill put £500-£700 behing myself and give this a bash.

any advice would help, i think im starting to see how teams react to each other, the longer i study tho the more i should filter out my errors.

He sure will help you rob money that he can be making.

Do yourself a favour Dave, ship Blatch your £500 and make more money than you could if you were doing it yourself.

Yes i could but we cant rely on blatch forever can we, so if there is a way of learning this to make profit myself, surely thats a better way to go. become self sufficient.

I have a very good idea of what blatch is doing as i knew a wee bit about it before he started this thread anyway. My main concern is the market shifts, thats the only thing thats holding me back just now, till i get a better feel for them.

Discipline will not be an issue especially when i have that kind of money behind me. The amount of money flying around Betfair these days, Blatch wont mind if i join in donk all my money over to him!

What!?!

The only way you can make money is by anticipating those market shifts correctly

Claiming a 100% success record so far. Not seen any traders on the various blogs claim 100% long term so interesting to see when it'll not be all green in a game and how much red there will be.

I am looking to trade CSK Moscow v Man Utd. Kick off Wed 5.30pm

I have laid Man U at 2.28 based on the following

Manchester United will be without both Ryan Giggs and Wayne Rooney for the Champions League trip to CSKA Moscow.
Patrice Evra, Park Ji-Sung and Darren Fletcher were also absent from the squad flying out to Russia on Monday.
Dimitar Berbatov and Nemanja Vidic are still doubtful for the match but have made the trip to the Russian capital.

I think Man U will drift further, and if either Berbatov or Vidic dont make the team sheet further still.

If I am wrong the downside is prob around 2.18 at worst, but If I am right I  think the price could drift out as far as 2.44

Obv looking to trade out before Kick off.

But would be interested to hear other opinions on this

I would expect Manure's price at KO to be around 2.38-2.42, but sadly our money is tied up elsewhere at moment

FYP

Tbf i dont think he tilted it , just got alot of badbeats!

Blatch are you still accepting investments?

due to the amount of admin he has to do, he is only accepting investments of £500 Minimum.

 ;tightend; 2.38 atm on BF

I think it will go off around this price but will probably hit around 2.42-2.44 before being backed in slightly

few pennies matched at 2.48 but now been backed into 2.42 at KO.

ooops 5.30 KO not 5 as I thought

Finally! Blatch gets it wrong!

:-)

Knowing how he runs, it probably means more profit...

It will mean the match gets stopped due to a 22 player injury imo.

ok hit 2.5 biut backed into 2.42 near KO

does that mean profit? :)

oh yeah orgot our P+L, its not much as I had most money involved in Chelski game but ......

Manure + 108.33
Draw +108
CSKA +108

 ;applause;

33p extra for that goal sweet!  ;hattip;

how did you get on with the Chelsea Game?

Sorry been busy semi bubbling 3 tourneys on FT tonight

Chavski +203.31
Draw +203.15
Athletico +203.15

 :)up

 ;thankyou; ;mexicanwave; ;mexicanwave; ;mexicanwave; ;mexicanwave;

We got lucky on that one.

 ;applause;  wpwp

How many people are involved in this.. (How many people are sharing the 33p)

Good work Blatch!

They are 30 different investors so that extra 33pence could make a big difference to the payouts.

whats the total amount staked between those 30 investors?

I think ot was about £3700 ish, i think its almost hit 10K

Were up to around the 11k mark ..... and not 1 penny from flushy

Fulham +286.55
Draw +286
Roma +286

Nice, back to your usual standard i see

Is that £11k invested pre-profits or is that an in-running figure ?

11K in running total mate

it is what has been actually invested, about 3700 before i started but others have invested since

 ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend;

oh really, my apologies mate.

so whats the running total your up to at present then?

let me get the fulham game out the way and ill updae it later, should be around 17k from memory

can i invest now, or is it too late?

Too late.  Blatch went to bed at 9 o'clock.

;)

With snooker and 2 2nd halfs of football matches on ... i dont think so

Answer the fella then :D

u did  :)up

Welcome to the invention of Pm's :)

Wolves +182.56
Draw +183
Villa +183

This is immensely impressive

Fyp.

Sandy

lol..better than any staking thing on here, I reckon.

Apologies guys - didnt get a chance to do anythingon Liverpool game as been tied up in Bristol

was she good ?.

She?!

Have you met Neil Baz?

never knew he liked to bat for the other side.

He's happy to bat for which ever side he can lay.
Insider info for the win.

 ;) :D

sigh, another was busy making more FT's in Bristol running as Blatch does brag

Arsenal +162.37
Draw +162
Spurs +162


Also added bonus today .......

Stoke +98.35
Draw+99
Wolves +99

Bink!

I've never got so turned on by the + sign in all my life......

Lovin' the +'s.  Good work :)

how do I put this?

Ummmmmmm bad news is that its happened, sadly it had to at some point but thankfully its only a small loss.

Im just looking round the keyboard to try to find the minus key but its here somewhere.

Liverpool -56.75
Draw-56.75
Lyon -56.88

Im actually kinda relieved in a way that its happened (and that its a very small loss).  A few people has started sending me PM's asking if we on for making a 1000% return etc and what they were going to spend the money on and was starting to feel a but of pressure.  Well its out the way and will move on and learn from this one.

Suppose I owe a kind of explanation as to what happened.

With the Liverpool team news, Lyon being a decent side at home, regularly qualifying for the 2nd phase, Liverpools recent run of form I thought the Liverpool price would drift out slightly despite them being a biggish price already.  I laid at 3.2 and was forced to back them back at 3.15 before the ineviatble money for Liverpool just before KO.

So sorry guys but was amazed it took this long to have our first losing market.

sigh

run better please ;)

glad i didn't invest, knew it would all come crashing down, you're rubbish. ;D

Variance.

Heh, I read this


and insta thought dunnit:

Liverpool -£10,000
Draw -£10,001
Lyon -£10,000



I think we can live with -£56.75 :)

Was bound to happen champ, amazing it's taken this long lol. Doing a sick job so far.  :)up

Adds a bit more realism to the grimming process, niiiice


Wot Nick said.  ;hattip;

cheers bud

I'm in shock!!!!

Seriously though I cant believe you're apologising ..I fully expected there to be some ups and downs, fact this is first loss is credit to you

lol at people sending pm's telling you how you how they going to spend the money

Just don't let it happen again.

JUSTICE.

I KNEW IT!!!! You and your bloody system, its flawed! How am I going to explain to my missus that I have just lost 3p of my money? bahhhh, Fergus all over again etc unforeseen impact of Greekstein being banned etc

grimming bastard

Normal service has resumed: -

Liverpool +183.68
Draw +182
Birmingham +182

Blatch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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+

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+

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imo

made my day :)