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Going to post a few hands from the £150 f/o. I win some of them, I lose some of them. I won't say which, but the point is I'm not being results oriented on them :)

190 entries. 6000 starting stack and a 30 minute clock.

So, the first hand. We're down to about 3 or 4 tables, with the top 18 (last 2 tables) getting paid. Blinds at this point I think are 800/1600-200.

Villian has just lost a big pot, and has now been shoving any opening he can get to try and get his stack going. After antes has has a total of about 13,000.

It folds to him in the SB, and as predicted he goes all in.

Hero, who is playing a total of about 25,000 has  Qs 7c in the big blind. Your move?

Meh unless you can put him on atc this has to be a fold, i think it is pretty close if he is on ATC.

Foldage

Half your stack. Fold, no need to take this on, even though your calling range is wide this isn't in it imo

indeed fold

Fold from me too.

fold

simple fold

Yeah, definite fold

Ok, general consensus here appears to be to fold. Which is not what I did.

I'll go through my thought process, and would welcome any feedback over whether or not you think my thinking is correct.

Firstly, his shoving range. He was a youngish (mid-late 20s at a guess) player, who seemed to understand the concept of shoving with a short stack to steal blinds/antes. For the previous few hands he shoved any unopened pot he got. So, when it folds to him the the SB he's in a spot where he should be shoving ATC. And I was perfectly happy that he would ship ATC. Maybe it's a bit much to assume he's doing that here?

Given that I decided this though, I've got Q7 which is the average hand in these spots. I just stoved it and it's 51.7% against a random hand. So I'm essentially flipping with his range. I then look at the pot odds. 200*8 = 1400 + 3200 (from blinds) + 11400 from the shove = 16000 in the middle. Costing me about 11400 to call, so i'm getting about 1.4 on a call. Considering I think I'm 50/50 against his range then I quite like this price.

The other factor was of course my stack size. If I call and win then I'm up to >50k. At 800/1600-200 I can start to put this stack to work and improve it. Blinds are soon to jump to 1000/2000-200, then 1500-3000-300, so I need to get something going. If I fold then this is obv bad news, I'm down to about 12k. But I figure this isn't a complete disaster, as I can shove and win a couple of pots to help get my stack back up - I had one of the tighest players I've ever seen to my left, he played about 2 hands in the 3/4 hours i saw him at the table, so his big blind was easy pickings.

So, given I thought I was getting a decent price, the benefits of having a bigger stack, and the fact I think I might be able to somewhat recover if I lose, I decided to make the call. Borderline acceptable, or spew?

I still think it is a fold.

I guess you learnt this from what happened in the Alea Friday night? ;)

Easy fold - you can jam the next hand if you must against Mr Tighty

You are ONLY doing it because it is BvB, but you are as marginal as it gets!

it might be ever so slightly +EV to make this call. But there are infinitely more +EV spots to use your chips than in this spot imo.

It's good that you've provided a logical reasoning for your call, but getting 1.4 with Q7 which has 51% equity against his possible range isn't a good enough reason to call imo.

Q7 just isn't good enough in this spot. Applying your logic, I might bet happy to take him on with K8 or QT...maybe even Q9s, but not Q7....

+1

If you want to make something happen do what your oppo is doing instead of doing what you are doing. That would be better straight away.

Not that it's really relevent, but I'll post the result for completeness sake. He turned over  Kd 9d. I hit a Q and took him out.

a few factors why i might i make these calls online.   1 is the player gunner keep helping him self to my blinds and the blinds i wanta attack.
 . 2 wats the overlay of the pot and 3 is it worth me tryin to bust this player ina  flip if u believe his range to be any two cards.
 not sayin calling ya chips of is always the bets way to play ya hand  but ive gambled in the past on a race to get chips so i can attempt to run the game over and if it means i gamble and lose half the time so be it. the half a time where i feel them chips are gunner be used to collect even more chips then i think it makes the call ok as uve put the chips to good use. if the alternative is u fold this tiny edge and he keeps beating u into pots then what time do u draw the line of fighting back.
 some players(djk123) believe any edge is an edge but if u always call on small edge u wil lose money as most chips won at poker are without showdown and 1percent edge dont make up for the fact that u have to win at showdown.
but like i say if by gambling here it sets u up for a win then its not the worst call in the world. the bigger picture as always is it depends i wudunt say ive not gamblded in these types of spots before but normally with a player i want to get rid of who i kknow wil be a nuisance at some point so il take my stand early with yes a 51 percent edge.