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posted a staking request, shipped some dimes, cancelled staking request: full version can be found here http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=43356.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=43356.0)

some people thought what i did was wrong. iv decided to honour the stakes as the last thing that i wanted to do was annoy/insult people (especially cos and blatch), but im not convinced that theres anything wrong in what i did. why did/do people disagree? and as an extension, what is/isnt fair game on the staking boards?

A deal is a deal. Pulling the plug is poor form.

i think if people stake you when you need it then you should honour it, despite having a win in between (assuming the stakers are still happy to stake you)

backing out of a stake because you can't play the tourney for whatever reason is fine

backing out of a stake and then playing the tourney anyway is pretty bad form

Mike's a good guy. Seems like a simple mistake, people shouldn't be too harsh on him.

You're bang out of order.

Where do people get the notion that they can just go back in their word as the fancy takes them?

You made a deal, stick to it, your word is the most valuable commodity you have.

LOL @ Greekstein's response on the staking thread when you said you were pulling out. Don't think he was very impressed :-)

You should stick to the original agreement, but as flops said I think this is an honest mistake.

I personally think it's bad form to pull the plug, but "DIE" is probably too harsh a response!
8-)

Imo benefit of the doubt should be giving,from reading your post on the thread i think you genuinely have just made bad error of judgement.Lots of people have made different kind of errors with regards to requesting to be staked obviously this is different but you've said your happy to go ahead with what was agreed so that should be it left.

pm'd cos a coupla times, twas sarcasm (i hope  :)).

thanks for the understanding flops and longy, if id thought i was being out of order then i wouldnt have gone through with it - and i challenge anyone who knows me to differ. so is it equally unacceptable for a staker to pledge a stake and then withdraw the offer? (assuming adequate time allowances)

Bad form really. If I'd staked you originally I wouldn't have done again in the future. Sure you have some cash now, but you never know when you might need staking again.

Like flops said Mike I'm sure it was a genuine mistake but look at from the stakers point of view.

They have backed you at a premium cos you cannot afford the full buy in of a tourney

Now taht you can you want to play for yourself- if you bink it, would be pretty gutting.

Also what if Blatch or Cos had pulled out because they ship mad dimes and decide staking you isn't worth it?

Like I said at the top of the post- sure it was a genuine error of judgement but as most peeps have said- a deal is a deal.

I've known Mike since before anyone on blonde apart from Tom Rutter and I know him to be one of the nicest blokes you'll meet round the table so I have no qualms that Mike made an honest mistake here, through perhaps not really seeing the bigger picture. Though in my opinion it would be a slightly poor judgement.

I don't want to stake anyone who will resent it (can't think of a better word even though that's not quite right) so will leave it completely up to Mike as to what he wants to do in this case and I don't mind either way. It's no big deal for me.

You could have just went with the stakes and played another event with your own money?

^^^and this, so many tourneys to play these days.

cheers cos, im happy for you to keep your stake though.

i guess i saw staking a little differently, less as favour-doing and more as profit-seeking. the more i think about it and read peoples comments the more im coming round to seeing why i was being a bit of a tool to people that were essentially helping me out. for those of you that didnt see the end of the original thread i said id honour the staking arrangement as soon as i saw that so many people had a problem with it (before starting this thread). ty for your comments/opinions/brutal honesty

This, especially as someone who is asking to be staked.

Think this is a little harsh Tom- Mike meant no malice

Why is it harsh? I wasn't rude in the slightest.

He asked for opinions, I gave him mine.

interesting thread.

Things may have gone a bit far on here.

Mike, is certainly one of the nicest guys on the tour and I simply think this is a simple mistake and has probably seen it slightly differently to everyone else.  Someone I spoke to today about this said he was probably doing me a favour as I am getting my money back and Mike may well have seen it like this.

I think one or two things to consider.  

How would it feel if Cos turned round and said he won $200k in an FTOPS event and also won the lottery and couldnt be bothered to stake you anymore the day before.  I think you would be pretty gutted.

Again I know for a fact this is just a simple misjudgement by mike but the main point is that Mike, myself and Cos (the only three involved) are all happy :)

• attention-grabbing, clear statement of opinion to start with.
• followed by deeper explanation of opinion plus description of problem as one of wider society, which mainly makes me feel bad about being a tool but also takes the edge off by oserving that it is not just me who has made such errors in the past and perhaps suggests that i will not be the last.
• polishes off the post with sage advice from the voice of experience, as if he were my father himself administering a much-needed dose of tough love.

solid post structure imo, had to marvel at the beauty of it.

imo 'bang out of order' is a little strong seeing as i honestly thought it was reasonable behaviour at the time and didnt intend on being a tit, but fair play for posting your opinion - its exactly what i asked for

Forgive me, but you thinking it was reasonable behaviour doesn't make it any less out of order.

I didn't say you were a bad person, or that you intended any malace.

I offered no opinion at all on you as a person, only on the act itself.

spite lose cos's money now imo

obv :D

I kind of agree with Tom. In that thread you said "really sorry to do this to you guys" which suggests you know you're doing a bad thing. So it would appear that 30% of yourself in one poker event is more important to you than doing that bad thing to other people. That highlights your character whether or not you consciously thought the thing was all that bad. Stakers may have missed other staking opportunities by commiting to you, at the least they haven't been able to spend their money while it's been commited to you. Like Tom & others said, you had a deal. That's more important than the 30% imo.

+1

I don't know any of the people involved, so this is an opinion based only on the sequence of events as I read them.

If I'd shown faith by staking someone who is, shall we say, "unproven" and therefore  a bit of a risk, I'd be very upset if they withdrew the deal at the very time they've won an event and perhaps become a better bet!

That would seem very unfair to me. As Tom says, a deal is a deal and even if the goalposts have moved, you should stick with it.

another good point which I don't think anyone else has touched on

Good point. I am running hot at the mo so no longer need staking, it was only before when I was running bad that I needed you guys involved :)

If you ask for staking you must believe that you have a fair chance to win. So when you return the stakes it's not just a question of no longer needing the money it's about wanting to deny the people who showed faith in you when you needed it, a share in the winnings you expect now you don't.