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PokerStars Game #31486256212: Tournament #185960908, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (5000/10000) - 2009/08/10 21:31:26 ET
Table '185960908 92' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: majesensei (201021 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (696949 in chips)
Seat 3: DocHoliday66 (156941 in chips)
Seat 4: Nat1665 (248524 in chips)
Seat 5: Ze_worm (185251 in chips)
Seat 6: loveTOtrapp (172776 in chips)
Seat 8: xX_HoT71_xX (69199 in chips)
Seat 9: Bebert004 (108436 in chips)
majesensei: posts the ante 1250
George2Loose: posts the ante 1250
DocHoliday66: posts the ante 1250
Nat1665: posts the ante 1250
Ze_worm: posts the ante 1250
loveTOtrapp: posts the ante 1250
xX_HoT71_xX: posts the ante 1250
Bebert004: posts the ante 1250
Nat1665: posts small blind 5000
Ze_worm: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Qc Ad]
loveTOtrapp: folds
xX_HoT71_xX: folds
Bebert004: folds
majesensei: folds
George2Loose: raises 12989 to 22989
DocHoliday66: raises 132702 to 155691 and is all-in
Nat1665: folds 
Ze_worm: raises 28310 to 184001 and is all-in
George2Loose:????

Fold

The fold button is usually on the left if that's what you need help with?

ok bit more history

I'm opening like 50% of pots.

Still snap fold?

Heads up snap call.

Once the other guy comes along snap fold.

You might be opening 50% but the other guy isn't.

Almost certainly fold, how many left?

 as soon as Ze worm comes along for the ride, it's a fold for me.

I open loads too but don't level yourself into thinking this means people are re-shipping you with shit. Vs one oppo I beat him into the pot, vs two I sigh and pass.

is there no justifictation for the call given stack sizes here?

both players are all in - he is getiing >2:1 - he has an A and a Q - and can call and lose and still have 45 BB's left?

not a snap fold for me. If you have been super active - 1st guy could be going with a very light holding and 2nd guy could have 99-JJ (i know its the bottom of his range and I am trying to make the call look favourable)

I dont think this is an easy fold given the set up - i think that I probably fold after consideraton - but i wouldnt hate the call given the above

I agree actually.

Interesting the consensus is to fold, I dont dont mind calling here - plenty of scenarios where you are in decent shape, seems like a good spot to gamble to me

Against

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
and
JJ+/AQs+/AQo+

we have ~22.4%

Against

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
and
88+/ATs+/AJo+

we have 30.6%



If you're running good cawl and bink. I fold some of the time dependant on the players considering our stack size and just keep the ammo to keep opening. I think it all depends on the overshove range really.

Just stoved this and its pretty tight actually, given pot odds we need 29% and we have 25% using following ranges so a fold looks correct - Even if you widen villian1's range which is reasonable it doesn't alter things that much



   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    25.112%     20.12%    04.99%        2147936718    532825341.17   { AdQc }
Hand 1:    28.128%     26.54%    01.59%        2833138841    169672432.67   { 22+, A7s+, KJs+, A7o+, KJo+ }
Hand 2:    46.760%     42.07%    04.69%        4491336056    500522763.17   { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }

Lol, changed my mind again... villian 2's range is wider than what I assigned above... I'm calling!!!

Can't see any problem with your assigned range here. He's effectively calling for his tournament life. Unless he has a read on villain 1 that says he likes to resteal shove then he isn't going in light here.

Yeah guess its player dependant as always - I could see myself shoving 77/88, AJ, maybe even AT if I was villian 2, figuring to squeeze out opener and likely be ahead againt the shortstack, including these hands would make it a call for AQ - prob not too much of a mistake either way

yarp +1

Given stack sizes and image I think this was close.

Villian 1 had 44. Villian 2 had AK

I did fold after banking

not sure cash-type pokerstovage applies particularly well here. in tourneys not all chips have the same value, they have diminishing value (ie 20k worth less than 2x 10k) - im not saying that i think its not close but fwiw i fold here too

Whenever a situation is genuinely close (as this one is), the smaller the effective stacks are - the more I call. I'd have got it in bad here most of the time.

Yeah I get what you mean, just posted to show that even when you widen the range massively I dont think you can make this particularly clearly +EV, therefore I'd look for a better spot though not saying that at the time I would consider calling at least for just a while.

another point not considered so far is that george is a donk so probably should look to get them in here and hope to spin up. he's unlikely to have any value to gain from playing future pots, especially at stakes as high as $10 mtts

10$ rebuy I'll have you know :P

ummm call and bink 3 queens?

I was going to but couldn't get the RNG alignment right so folded

wasnt judging, more pointing out that you could save your chips for better spots