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£30 pound freezout in live tourn , i had kk  in late postion , its folded to me i raise to for time big blind , the big blind is only caller flop comes down  7 8 9 , bb bets out 2 k i rerasie to 5 k he flat calls  turn brings an ace  he pushes all in for 8 k i got 6k left i fold he shows pocket tens.

The way i see it i shoudl have reraised more maybe pushed all in on flop, i couldnt put him on th ace whnen it cvam on tourn but maybe he had called with j10 or 56  ? opinons please?

What were the blinds?

not sure what blinds are etc but surely you should commit on flop and don't fold now

i also played this comp btw and am an expert in converting 50k stack in zero - so take that fwiw

75 -150  10 k starting stack i was up to 13k

The bet sizing seems a bit weird but other than not calling on the end we seemed to have played it ok. What part of the action made you think he had an ace?

 my gut feeling was that he had something like ace ten suited once the turn came    but  on flop thought he may have had 66 so think thats why the small reraise to try get more out of him  but shouldnt have give him chance to draw to straight anyway

Raise less preflop. I know this is Gala and you'd expect to get a million callers, but you're in late position, so 3x is fine - we want to pick up a customer with this hand.

That flop sucks, and for me when it's the big blind who has called the flop worries me. He led out for 2k into a 1275 pot? Your raise is fine. Now commit on the turn, no reason he has an ace here.

If you raise less pre then the pots smaller, with only 975 in the middle. The flop bets are probably smaller and we're not playing for stacks in this awkward position.

yeah but if people are calling 4x raises irrespective then raising 4x with KK is fine imo

yeah i didnt really want the button and small blind coming in with  raggy ace as they like to do at gala , plus wanted to get more money in the pot with a big hand  thats what i was thinking , but yeah charles your comments makes sense

Why not? Your post is contradicting itself. You want to get money in the pot with a big hand but you don't want people with inferior hands coming along?

True. If we're happy we're getting called anyway then the 4x is fine.

yeah true  i am contradicting myself of course i want  people in with inferior hands  but really only want to be up agaisnt 1 person not three

i did manage to get back into it getting up to 16k before going  down to 10 bb blinds  then there was arasie of 5k  and i pushed all in  for 10 k with pocket 9s was up against ak and a king hit to knock me out , i dont generally like to push when been a raise  but my blinds where coming up quick and new would probably ahve to win a race to get back intoit anyway so thought was right thing to do

try getting up to 50k+ and then still not making the final table

try not to be results orientated, the shove with AK was 100% standard - and i was on the table

how did you not manage to get to final table with 50k  there was only about 450k in play wasnt  there? would ahve been plenty for final?

was it you who bad beated are kid lol?

if this is gala leeds i almost think you need to veer away from normal strategy - and be happy to over play your hand here

eg: if blinds are 75 150

you have raised to 600 and been called in 1 spot - therefore there is 1275 in the pot pre

your opponent donk leads for 2000!!!!!! and you have 11k behind with 3275 in the pot.

its a fairly gruesome board - but he has to have smashed it to have you beat (prob going to be a 2pr type holding if he has). I think he checks the flop into you if he has the TJ (but in know that isnt always the case)

On the grounds that you arent folding the flop (?) i have no problem (at gala with that level of opponent) of getting them in here. If he has 2 pr - then you still have  5 outs on the turn and 8 on the river. It is just as likely he has top pair (or bottom pair) and open ended - in which case you are flipping.

A good reason for the over jam is to get your opponent off marginal hands (A9)- but more importantly - there is no re-rasie which doesnt commit you to the pot (ie when you re raise to 5k you have more than half ur stack in the middle - so you dont want to be folding really).

why give yourself a tought decission on the turn (with half ur stack in there) when there are so many scare cards?

Given the opponent (his bet) and the flop - i jam

As for the way you  played it - the fold leaves you with 40bb's - so not too puke worthy! (kinda)

i didn't "bad beat" anyone.

i just got my chips in first for 3 flips in quick succession and lost them all, also had  Td 9d on a   Th 7d  8c and bricked v  Aspades Ts for a large pot


i could sit there and wait for FT but that's not really how i play

yeah i am trying to revaluate my my play near bubble i always tend to get to final  short stacked but  have had  some good  wins  and 2nd and 3rd  places with short  stack  , last friday i got to fiinal  table with 7k and finshed  2nd, but with the fields getting bigger i need to accumulate more chips ,  in the last month only had 2 finals a 2nd and 4th place  before that was hitting 2 to 3 a week

You're doing it wrong.

Correct procedure at Gala is to fold until you recieve AA/KK/QQ or maybe AK, but maybe not AK because at the end of the day it's not a made hand like the other 3.

Folding your way down to 3 big blinds until you find one of these hands is perfectly fine.

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"A good reason for the over jam is to get your opponent off marginal hands"? Not this.

added to this

why give yourself a tought decission on the turn (with half ur stack in there) when there are so many scare cards?

Our priority has to be maximising the chances of getting our chips in against worse hands. There really aren't that many cards that we hate seeing on the turn. The reason for shoving (if we do) is that we have a reasonable expectation that he will call with worse hands not to "get him off marginal hands".

are you kidding me!

4 6's
4 T's
4 J's
4(3) A's

there is 15 for you

(im going off the OP)

i had a few AK conversations last night with some regs lol

a few of the old chestnuts:

"AK is only ace high"
"AK is a drawing hand"
"AK isn't a made hand"
"i am not going bust with AK"

i Lol'ed but i obv didn't have the last laugh cos i lost and they didn't - FML

in fact i have had a huge stack in last 4 live tournaments i have played and got absolutely nowhere, which is not like me.

hoping for a bit of run good tonight

 i try and vary my pay with ak  unless am down to  10 bb blinds then automatic shove , , in atourn other day i had ak 3 times riased with it all 3 times  and flop either came down  aj or aq   and  the callers had called with aj or aq it was uncanny  they was callign early postion raises with aj  so  what can you do

Obviously only a small proportion of these cards can be actual outs for our opponnent in any given situation. Just to clarify I wasn't saying the shove was bad, just the reasoning was flawed. Do you actaully think we want our opponents to fold worse hands on this flop?

i agree with your general principal  - but not on this board - sorry

the point being if it is a 2 5 9 and he has A9 (or any other marginal holding) - you can cream him for value - on that board you cant - so why waste time - get em in

In my experience of gala leeds - anyone who donk leads 1.7x pot would fold an open ended str8 draw too (seen it a million times)

Your gut feeling was that he had something like A-10 suited when the turn came? Please don't ever think like this yorky. It's ok to have a gut feeling, but don't let it consume your thoughts so it drives your decision making. Forget the soul-reading for a second, the reality of this situation is there's twice as much in the middle than you have in your stack so your decision here is critical. tbh your decision should already have be made to never fold once you decided to raise the flop. Villain bet the flop and called your re-raise. Why would he have A-10 suited? You put him on 6-6 yourself. The Ace drops, he pushes, and he suddenly has A-10 suited. Why? I don't mind your play in this hand up until the turn, but your turn thinking is ridic.

fixed your (otherwise) very good post

im not being results orientated.

flat the flop and get it in on a safeish turn, its gonna be hard to get the majority of players money in terrible on the flop, but the equity flip big draws suffer on the turn can be capitalised on.

YEP TOTALLY AGREE THANKS FOR COMMENTS

yep