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Title: 4 handed decisions
Post by: amcgrath1uk on August 17, 2009, 03:54:58 AM
Hero: On button with approx 180k
Villian: On BB with approx 130k

Blinds 4k/8k

Hero has been fairly aggressive preflop, shoving over the top of preflop raisers on a few occasions.
Villian, apart from doubling up when shoving with  9c  5c has been solid, even at this late stage.

Folded to the button, hero raises to 40k with  Ac 6c

After a couple of moments villian shoves all in..

Call/Fold?


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: LeKnave on August 17, 2009, 03:57:44 AM
rewinds time and makes it 20K!


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: George2Loose on August 17, 2009, 04:08:00 AM
From facebook:

Asa McGrath 4th tonight... bloody annoying way to get knocked out... and I'm gonna love being awake in 4 hours time!

Fold.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: amcgrath1uk on August 17, 2009, 08:37:22 AM
From facebook:

Asa McGrath 4th tonight... bloody annoying way to get knocked out... and I'm gonna love being awake in 4 hours time!

Fold.

LOL cheat ;)

Wish the hero did fold.... villian had  Ahrt Kh and got beat by a straight on the river (fml). Villian instacalled as well sigh


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: AlexMartin on August 17, 2009, 09:44:53 AM
rewinds time and makes it 20K!

yer, if only for the fact you can level yourself into convincing you induced.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: boldie on August 17, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
40k is wayyyyyyyyyy too much pre Asa.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: TheRaise on August 17, 2009, 09:51:21 AM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster. I'd make it anything from 20k-24k here.  However, as played, I'd call for 90k more after putting 40k in.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
Fold.  He has AK.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: gatso on August 17, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: GreekStein on August 17, 2009, 10:55:04 AM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

Even then it's pretty silly at this stage of the tournament.

We should be raising 2.5x and keeping our raise size consistent, trash or not.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: MC on August 17, 2009, 11:19:47 AM
Yeah man, 5x raise is crazy and that's what got you in this mess. You've left yourself much too committed to your hand.



Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: EvilPie on August 17, 2009, 12:17:29 PM
Can we get a smiley icon of a little yellow round faced dude spewing up all over his screen?

It would be useful for situations like this.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: Eck on August 17, 2009, 12:28:34 PM
Can people stop disguising bad beat stories as hand analysis topics please...


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: kinboshi on August 17, 2009, 01:04:53 PM
Can we get a smiley icon of a little yellow round faced dude spewing up all over his screen?

It would be useful for situations like this.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/9530.gif)


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: TheRaise on August 17, 2009, 03:00:10 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: gatso on August 17, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).

[ ] good plan


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: BulldozerD on August 17, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).

they won't fold JJ anyway imo 4 handed - 5x or no 5x


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: GreekStein on August 17, 2009, 03:11:20 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).

lol comedy.

They are still gonna reraise and get it in.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: EvilPie on August 17, 2009, 03:21:28 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).

Relying on your oppo having a hand big enough to shove is ridic here even 9 handed.

Even a very aggro player won't shove light without good fold equity.

Standard 2.5x or 3x if that's your thing is more likely to induce a shove.

Raising 5x wastes a good hand.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: Cf on August 17, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
Was just watching an episode of season 5 of high stakes poker.

4 players limped into Phil Laak's big blind for $800 each. Laak then raised an additional $50,000 with AA. They all folded obv. Well played sir.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: EvilPie on August 17, 2009, 03:57:52 PM
Was just watching an episode of season 5 of high stakes poker.

4 players limped into Phil Laak's big blind for $800 each. Laak then raised an additional $50,000 with AA. They all folded obv. Well played sir.

Probably a good move at that level.

Make it $6k or so and he gets 4 callers. Sick!!


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: Longy on August 17, 2009, 06:40:31 PM
Raising 5x the blind 4-handed is just silly unless we have an absolute monster.

why would you 5x a monster?

To hope that a less competent player shoves all in over the top of your 5x with JJ or the like (the monster I'm referring to being AA or KK).

Yeah these donks getting it in 4 handed with jacks, the games are still good boys.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: amcgrath1uk on August 17, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
Just to make it clear, I had the AK on the bb.. sigh

double sigh.. she went on to win


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: dousche on August 18, 2009, 01:59:51 AM
Just to make it clear, I had the AK on the bb.. sigh

double sigh.. she went on to win

50p


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: thetank on August 18, 2009, 10:14:21 AM
fk 50p

Should be a pound for threads like this.


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: amcgrath1uk on August 18, 2009, 10:18:14 AM
fk 50p

Should be a pound for threads like this.

True lol..

I must say after the hand I had to sit silent in stunned amazement for a couple of minutes...

The hand imo cost me £370... think thats enough lol


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: gatso on August 18, 2009, 11:26:45 AM
next person to post a bad beat story on pha that they originally disguise by using the hero/villain swaperoo bluff to induce initial criticism of oppo's play needs banning imo


Title: Re: 4 handed decisions
Post by: MC on August 18, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
fk 50p

Should be a pound for threads like this.

+1