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Does my play here look too much like a bluff. Perhaps if I bet 2/3 of the pot on the river it looks more convincing. Thought I'd sold the story well enough for ace high to fold though.

Damn you Salfi, would be interested in ur thoughts on ur hero call here...

PokerStars Game #31768901793: Tournament #188161356, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/08/18 15:04:16 WET [2009/08/18 10:04:16 ET]
Table '188161356 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: migue1984 (900 in chips)
Seat 2: capotinha (1200 in chips)
Seat 4: e4e5nf3nc6 (2560 in chips)
Seat 5: YeahImJon (2450 in chips)
Seat 6: dannydc123 (980 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: salfi (2120 in chips)
Seat 8: epitomised (2095 in chips)
Seat 9: Pokerger1337 (1465 in chips)
salfi: posts small blind 75
epitomised: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [5d 9h]
Pokerger1337: folds
migue1984: folds
capotinha: folds
e4e5nf3nc6: folds
YeahImJon: folds
dannydc123: folds
salfi: calls 75
epitomised: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c 6h 6c]
salfi: bets 150
epitomised: calls 150
*** TURN *** [2c 6h 6c] [Tc]
salfi: checks
epitomised: bets 300
salfi: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [2c 6h 6c Tc] [Th]
salfi: checks
epitomised: bets 1495 and is all-in
salfi: calls 1495
*** SHOW DOWN ***
epitomised: shows [5d 9h] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
salfi: shows [Aspades 3s] (two pair, Tens and Sixes - Ace kicker)
salfi collected 4190 from pot

pwnd

lol, yes

Just realised I shoved for like twice the pot. Pretty transparent I guess. Wanted to make it look like I might be value shoving against a flush but then again that doesn't make much sense.

lol  :)    i never ever make these calls ever but our history and the way u played the hand didnt make sense so i thought cant see how im losing ever here. wasnt gettin good price but when i thought it was nuts or air i figured stacking of is fine cause i thought it was 90percent air and 10 percent actually had some weirdly played mega strong hand. .     just lucky i guess. :)
  truth be told i dont like folding

James your line makes no sense!

pot was 1200

pot was 1050 no? i like 2/3 pot. only hand you can possibly be repping is a 6 and you kinda blow that with the shove on the end. then again salfi mentioned history, so this could change things

value bet more often vs this player. :)

nh salfi

yer ur plan was to rep a flush then decide nahh a full house is better. pwned!

no, pot was 1200

You haven't played it like you've got the 6.

Now the board's double paired nobody in their right mind value shoves the flush.

Oppo only has to worry about you having 1 of 2 other tens in the deck.

Nice call.

Yeah guess this what I did, and not a good thing to do against a thinking player

Oops :)

what a sick spot to value shove 77 or something though.....

Hell yeah. Genius move. I think it's a prettty easy call with the A so this would be beautiful.

But could you figure that out in the time allowed?

I think if there's a man that could it's Alex Martin.

He's a soulcrushing, rangemerging 42% VPIP loose aggressive 34/14 overbet shover double gutshot bellybusting spewtard image range polarising mindreading internet cash whizzkid.

FYP

value bettin with 77 is more retarded then bluffing with 95 imo.

Value betting is never wrong ...... if your ahead ;)

not in doubt value bettin is corect when u have the best hand. but having 77 here  on this river in this hand and value betting is the worse value bet in the history of poker as he would be bluffing the river with 77 and that cant be a value bet . either betting for value or betting to bluff he cant be doin both ever and if he is unsure then that is just bad poker.

Or range merging.

if he knows you likely have A high and are capable of calling with it he can value bet.

this limping the SB is cool now? seen a few good players doing it

The limp the sb, bet the flop, is extremely common now.

how can u ever get to river here with 77 and shove for value. its just impossible to play the hand so retarded. its no cash game the stacks are shallow so gettin to river with 77 and shoving for value cany happen on this board

im just playing devils advocate btw. peace.

i appreciate that the stacks are shallow and good sng strategy means you wouldnt get to the river with 77 like this very often. What i was trying to allude to was that a value bet is by its very nature dependant on villains calling range. That established, dependant on villains level of thought and your hand-reading skills you can make an argument for a thin value shove here if you had 77.

yes but the suggestion of value bettin here on the specific hand was the subject not value betting pairs against ace hi calls. but yes i understand what u mean but its gettin more complicated then it need be and maybe the subject of value betting pairs against ace hi calls is better written about on another thred so not get away from the educational points we can learn from somebody bluffing there stack of with 9 5 needlessly . i think the subject of thin value bets is important but this is more a bluff catcher type hand and not a thin value betting type spot.
 peace out :)

The problem with this 77 discussion is I would raise it preflop....

we know :)