Title: Advise please. Post by: celtic on August 24, 2009, 01:27:44 AM £100, live tourney at Luton.
9 Left everyone in the money as savers have been done, average stack 35k, I have 42000. Blinds 800/1600/100. I'm in mid position with Js Jh and raise to 4k. Button, who is tight aggressive, announces raise, and makes it 10k, but it goes in as a string bet, and the dealer declares it a raise to 8k. He has around 20k back. Back to me. Shove or call? Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: EvilPie on August 24, 2009, 01:29:29 AM Shove.
Very quickly. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Dewi_cool on August 24, 2009, 01:30:52 AM Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: George2Loose on August 24, 2009, 01:38:36 AM disagree
Tank- then shove Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: salfi on August 24, 2009, 01:39:35 AM never shove or call. its shove or fold. can find a fold here against some people but most time im shipping jacks here.
Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: gatso on August 24, 2009, 01:43:50 AM string shove
Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: relaedgc on August 24, 2009, 03:58:38 AM He has 9h 9d.
Shove. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Cf on August 24, 2009, 08:25:53 AM Put all your chips in the middle of the table
Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: EvilPie on August 24, 2009, 09:35:29 AM Put all your chips in the middle of the table Yeah we all know that. How do you put them in though? That's the important bit. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: GreekStein on August 24, 2009, 09:45:33 AM I'm prob getting them in but to be honest I don't like it as much as everyone else seems to be suggesting. Online it's a one hand in the air job.
People tend to play pretty tight live once they make the final. Obviously if it's Alex Martin 3-betting us I'm fistpumping it in but I don't like this so much. I'd expect a straight up 3-bet shove from 99,1010 and AK but this 3-bet size with his stack back looks to me like he has a monster and he wants it paying. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Cf on August 24, 2009, 10:12:21 AM He describes the button as a tight aggressive player. I probably fall into this category myself (tho i've been experimenting with a looser play style recently). TAG players are certainly capable of making moves, especially in position.
Had he described the button player as tight passive, or weak, etc, then I might be more inclined to be worried. Given he's been described as TAG though I assume the OP gives him game a certain amount of credit. Against this player I'm shipping jacks with one hand in the air. TAG players get away with murder. Being uncomfortable getting jacks in against them against a 3bet is an indication of how much they can get away with. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: GreekStein on August 24, 2009, 10:43:11 AM He describes the button as a tight aggressive player. I probably fall into this category myself (tho i've been experimenting with a looser play style recently). TAG players are certainly capable of making moves, especially in position. Had he described the button player as tight passive, or weak, etc, then I might be more inclined to be worried. Given he's been described as TAG though I assume the OP gives him game a certain amount of credit. Against this player I'm shipping jacks with one hand in the air. TAG players get away with murder. Being uncomfortable getting jacks in against them against a 3bet is an indication of how much they can get away with. Didn't read the OP properly. Yeah if he's aggro you have no choice really but to get this in. I still don't like the 3-bet size and don't think he'll be 3-betting light just because he's aggro with only 20k back. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Longines on August 24, 2009, 10:51:28 AM Button, who is tight aggressive, announces raise, and makes it 10k, but it goes in as a string bet, and the dealer declares it a raise to 8k. Nice angle-fumble with rockets IMO. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Girgy85 on August 24, 2009, 10:56:43 AM Put all your chips in the middle of the table Yeah we all know that. How do you put them in though? That's the important bit. Put them in Teddy KGB style OBV!! Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Free_Rollin on August 24, 2009, 11:48:55 AM People tend to play pretty tight live once they make the final. FML. I think I start playing the loosest-most stupid poker ever. Quote I'd expect a straight up 3-bet shove from 99,1010 and AK but this 3-bet size with his stack back looks to me like he has a monster and he wants it paying. Agree with this. He might still have AK, but any pocket pair you're beating, he's either shoving or folding I reckon. Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Drain Alien on September 14, 2009, 09:33:43 AM £100, live tourney at Luton. 9 Left everyone in the money as savers have been done, average stack 35k, I have 42000. Blinds 800/1600/100. I'm in mid position with Js Jh and raise to 4k. Button, who is tight aggressive, announces raise, and makes it 10k, but it goes in as a string bet, and the dealer declares it a raise to 8k. He has around 20k back. Back to me. Shove or call? so Vinny wot happened in this hand? Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: AlexMartin on September 14, 2009, 11:47:41 AM wait for results please mugra :P
fwiw i think this is a spot where live players are super polarised and we can exploit his betsizing fkup a little. Their value 3b range is far narrower than a decent online players (who probs ships 77+/A10s+/KQo+ for value). In these specific spots i dont mind calling and seeing a non- Ace flop before check calling his jam, i think they are almost never 3betting light and always have 1010+/AQ/AK. really player dependant also Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: celtic on September 14, 2009, 11:54:25 AM Called, got it in on a 7 high flop and lost to 99. If I shove pre he calls he told me the week after. So was snookered whatever way I played it. Good to know.
Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: Chompy on September 14, 2009, 12:25:49 PM I also call here. And then fold if one overcard comes out. Or if it comes two tens or two eights.
Title: Re: Advise please. Post by: relaedgc on September 14, 2009, 12:30:31 PM |