Title: Tourney break decision Post by: keilan303 on August 24, 2009, 04:46:40 PM £15 live tourney - 24 runners - around 17/18 left, avg stack ~12k
I have 6.5k, blinds at 300/600, break after this hand... I raise UTG to 1600 with Kd Qd. I had lost >4k with a badly timed 3 bet, so I am looking to play a big pot to make back some losses, KQ is a monster compared to the 9c 5c / As 3h I've seen shown down at this table... my player to left has called every hand and folded every flop bet so I feel 1600 is a good price to get him in, the rest seem smart enough to fold a suspcisously small raise from UTG. The station calls and BB feels priced in for the extra 1000. In hindsight, was the raise too small? Junky flop 7c 2s 5h Am I wrong to fire in 2000 here? I know the player to left is giving up on every flop he doesn't connect with and he does eventually tank fold (probably Ace High). The BB instashoves. I don't fancy waiting 30 minutes in the break to come back with 3k for 400/800....is it correct to call here every time regardless? Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: Ironside on August 24, 2009, 04:57:42 PM fold pre, oop, and the donks at the blondepoker freeze dont understand chips and cards
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: MC on August 24, 2009, 05:00:58 PM You don't have enough chips to make this raise UTG. I prefer shoving to raising, but I prefer folding to shoving.
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: StuartHopkin on August 24, 2009, 05:03:44 PM Yeah as above, prefer to wait a round and if I still have no hands shove ATC for 8 bigs from the button, cut off. Get snapped by AQ and bink it in his eye.
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: Cf on August 24, 2009, 05:04:25 PM You don't have enough chips to make this raise UTG. I prefer shoving to raising, but I prefer folding to shoving. +1 Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: gatso on August 24, 2009, 05:06:41 PM fold>shove>raise though I might shove this sometimes as it's KQ of blue and will probs win
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: Longy on August 24, 2009, 06:32:42 PM Fold, remove the 3k chips from the table, spin them up on the roulette table or meet Men the Master Nguyen in the toilets. Come back with 20k after the break.
Or you could shove or fold pre, it is pretty close either way without antes. Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: thetank on August 24, 2009, 06:34:53 PM The line I usually take at the Nash is to mangle the hand and then walk home.
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: salfi on August 24, 2009, 08:17:12 PM u have a sickness called fps (fancy play syndrome with kq here)
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: keilan303 on August 24, 2009, 08:52:28 PM I think I just shove in future (I can't find a fold with KQs at this table) it probably gets through enough there,....then I can bust out with aces 1st hand after break.... 8)
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: Ironside on August 24, 2009, 09:01:16 PM I think I just shove in future (I can't find a fold with KQs at this table) it probably gets through enough there,....then I can bust out with aces 1st hand after break.... 8) kellogs mate this is the nash KQ shove utg your gonna get called and maybe in more than 1 spot fold it and shove the T7 in the cuttoff Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: EvilPie on August 25, 2009, 01:14:20 AM Basing your decision on the fact that the break is just coming up is really bad poker.
If the breaks are so long that they affect your decisions don't play the tournament. As for the hand just pass pre. Shove some random shit from late position when you get chance. If the table is right and you think people will lay down A9, A10 or even AJ then shove UTG is fine. Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: George2Loose on August 25, 2009, 01:29:30 AM Basing your decision on the fact that the break is just coming up is really bad poker. If the breaks are so long that they affect your decisions don't play the tournament. As for the hand just pass pre. Shove some random shit from late position when you get chance. If the table is right and you think people will lay down A9, A10 or even AJ then shove UTG is fine. disagree Matt- you'd be surprised how much external factors play a part in live poker. People just wanna go for a fag/toilet/get a drink and will rarely defend pre flop or want to play a long pot post. Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: keilan303 on August 25, 2009, 10:13:50 AM I considered that tbh...in fact the dealer even egged on the first caller to fold when I bet the flop (!!!) cos he wanted to get away for his break, if the BB could have complied instead of shoving 86o I'd have some chips to make it worthwhile playing after the break ::)
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: GreekStein on August 25, 2009, 10:20:29 AM bah just jam the flop now.
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: kukushkin88 on August 25, 2009, 10:44:09 AM The bit about KQ being a monster in comparison to the other hands you've had shows a flawed way of thinking. Other than the effect it may have had on your stack size, the other hands you've had shoudn't influence any deicision.
Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: TheChipPrince on August 25, 2009, 11:33:34 AM Ante's = Shove pre
No Ante's = Fold pre If raising pre = Shove any flop Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: EvilPie on August 25, 2009, 11:52:18 AM Basing your decision on the fact that the break is just coming up is really bad poker. If the breaks are so long that they affect your decisions don't play the tournament. As for the hand just pass pre. Shove some random shit from late position when you get chance. If the table is right and you think people will lay down A9, A10 or even AJ then shove UTG is fine. disagree Matt- you'd be surprised how much external factors play a part in live poker. People just wanna go for a fag/toilet/get a drink and will rarely defend pre flop or want to play a long pot post. What I meant George was that we shouldn't base our decision on the break coming up. If we base our decision on thinking that our oppo may be acting differently because of the break that's different. I understand that external factors play a part in the game but we shouldn't be thinking "meh, fuck it. I'll just chuck 'em in because I can't be arsed to wait around for 30 minutes". I we think that's what our oppo is doing then we should alter our range accordingly. Title: Re: Tourney break decision Post by: StuartHopkin on August 25, 2009, 07:07:30 PM Basing your decision on the fact that the break is just coming up is really bad poker. If the breaks are so long that they affect your decisions don't play the tournament. As for the hand just pass pre. Shove some random shit from late position when you get chance. If the table is right and you think people will lay down A9, A10 or even AJ then shove UTG is fine. disagree Matt- you'd be surprised how much external factors play a part in live poker. People just wanna go for a fag/toilet/get a drink and will rarely defend pre flop or want to play a long pot post. What I meant George was that we shouldn't base our decision on the break coming up. If we base our decision on thinking that our oppo may be acting differently because of the break that's different. I understand that external factors play a part in the game but we shouldn't be thinking "meh, fuck it. I'll just chuck 'em in because I can't be arsed to wait around for 30 minutes". I we think that's what our oppo is doing then we should alter our range accordingly. Unless were thinking "meh, fuck it. I'll just chuck 'em in because I can't be arsed to wait around for 30 minutes". Then we should chuck them in surely? |