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Title: Raise or Shove? Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2009, 12:12:06 PM This is a micro stakes rb with a small hardcore of regular winners (I'm one of them). It's slow enough to be played whilst I work/read Blonde/whatever and the regular players on the FT makes the latter stages fun.
***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 571002145 ***** NL Texas Hold'em $2 Buy-in + $0.20 Entry Fee, Level:9 Blinds(300/600-50 ante) - Thursday, September 03, 10:16:35 GMT 2009 $100 Guaranteed Rebuy NL Hold'em #274606 Table 1 9-max (Real Money) Final table - pays Top 3, 50/30/20 Seat 6 is the button Total number of active players : 9 Seat 1: theodoremf4 ( 16,434.25 ) Seat 2: joey lad ( 13,862.75 ) Seat 3: smackeroo ( 14,759.38 ) Seat 4: schrams ( 28,941 ) Seat 5: 283283928 ( 18,295 ) Seat 6: hennigan1 ( 7,622.74 ) Seat 7: david3103 ( 7,483 ) Seat 8: xxsmilexx ( 41,923.38 ) Seat 9: Rich4Liz ( 10,678.50 ) Tourney Level:9 Blinds(300/600-50 ante) theodoremf4 posts ante [50] joey lad posts ante [50] smackeroo posts ante [50] Rich4Liz posts ante [50] david3103 posts ante [50] hennigan1 posts ante [50] xxsmilexx posts ante [50] 283283928 posts ante [50] schrams posts ante [50] david3103 posts small blind [300] xxsmilexx posts big blind [600] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to david3103 [ As, Ks ] Rich4Liz folds theodoremf4 calls [600] joey lad folds smackeroo folds schrams calls [600] 283283928 folds hennigan1 folds david3103 ........... ? No real reads on theodorem or schrams, they aren't regulars on the FT of this. If the answer is raise, how much? Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: MC on September 03, 2009, 12:13:54 PM Just shove...
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: Cf on September 03, 2009, 12:14:15 PM Shove for me. Already 2550 (if my adding up is correct) in the pot that we can pick up. And if we do get called we're still happy.
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: pokefast on September 03, 2009, 12:15:36 PM Just over 10bbs = in they go.
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: gatso on September 03, 2009, 12:26:50 PM world's easiest shove. you're short stacked, you have AKs, there's loads of money in the pot
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: EvilPie on September 03, 2009, 12:28:04 PM AK needs to see all 5 cards to be 50 50 against a pair so get 'em in now.
Don't make the mistake of raising, letting someone call then having to pass a missed flop. With 2 callers already this is highly likely. If you run in to AA or KK it's just one of them things. UL. Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2009, 12:35:40 PM I knew all this!
Sorry for wasting your time, I knew I was wrong at the time i raised and EvilPie's prediction came true.... WTF was I thinking? Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: GreekStein on September 03, 2009, 12:37:13 PM A shove is the only option buddy. What was your thought process in terms of considering doing something else?
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: BulldozerD on September 03, 2009, 12:38:19 PM i'd even jam with 10k here
Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: GreekStein on September 03, 2009, 12:39:10 PM I knew all this! Sorry for wasting your time, I knew I was wrong at the time i raised and EvilPie's prediction came true.... WTF was I thinking? Raise/folding AK in the early levels where you have 100bbs is fine if you miss a flop but if we raise here we're putting in too much of our stack to pass on any flop and there's too much in the middle to let anyone see a flop unless they want to do it for your whole stack. Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: gatso on September 03, 2009, 12:40:12 PM If the answer is raise, how much? this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what? Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2009, 12:49:18 PM A shove is the only option buddy. What was your thought process in terms of considering doing something else? I thought... raise and call the shove which the raise induces... Nahh truthfully - utter brainfart! If the answer is raise, how much? this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what? Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping. Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: gatso on September 03, 2009, 12:52:11 PM If the answer is raise, how much? this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what? Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping. cool, just the way it was written then. I was a little worried out of interest how much did you raise? Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: EvilPie on September 03, 2009, 12:57:02 PM The problem you have is the stacks of the 2 callers.
They are still just about deep enough to play a flop against each other so don't need to iso shove. The raise to induce a shove has to be done against the right oppo in the right circumstance. 2 limpers from 30bb stacks isn't the right circumstance. Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2009, 12:57:44 PM If the answer is raise, how much? this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what? Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping. cool, just the way it was written then. I was a little worried out of interest how much did you raise? I could tell you that, but then I'd have to kill you! This story is bad enough without me then being castigated for the raise size... 3x Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: gatso on September 03, 2009, 01:03:53 PM 3x yuck. well I suppose if you're going to mangle a hand you may as well do it properly Title: Re: Raise or Shove? Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2009, 01:13:56 PM 3x yuck. well I suppose if you're going to mangle a hand you may as well do it properly nowt wrong with your eyesight then! |