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Title: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: MC on September 05, 2009, 12:07:13 PM 18 man, $16+1
Some guy (25/17 over 12 hands) open shoves for 22 big blinds (17 effective). Fair to assume we're a coinflip at worst here? Or are we a bit worried about AK? A lot of low pairs in their range so no need to take a flip? Or only donkeys shove like this so must call with pretty strong hand with raggier aces in their range??? ***** Hand History for Game 32429623809 ***** (Poker Stars) Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 04, 03:11:19 ET 2009 Table 192658676 2 (Real Money) Seat 8 is the button Seat 1: Ruaway1 ( $4695.00 USD ) Seat 2: kischkintai ( $2155.00 USD ) Seat 3: ILS007 ( $2230.00 USD ) Seat 4: potras69 ( $3215.00 USD ) Seat 5: Selem ( $1500.00 USD ) Seat 6: Blackbeaty ( $2855.00 USD ) Seat 7: Vili77 ( $4455.00 USD ) Seat 8: epitomised ( $3355.00 USD ) Seat 9: th1986 ( $2540.00 USD ) Ruaway1 posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. kischkintai posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. ILS007 posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. potras69 posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. Selem posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. Blackbeaty posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. Vili77 posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. epitomised posts ante of [$25.00 USD]. Ruaway1 posts small blind [$100.00 USD]. kischkintai posts big blind [$200.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to epitomised [ Aspades Qs ] ILS007 folds potras69 folds Selem folds Blackbeaty folds Vili77 raises [$4430.00 USD] epitomised Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: Royal Flush on September 05, 2009, 12:59:19 PM He shoves 22 effective, sb covers him.
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: MC on September 05, 2009, 01:02:54 PM He shoves 22 effective, sb covers him. Good point, I kinda meant 17 effective to me, but obv very relevant it's 22 effective to him... Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: AlexMartin on September 05, 2009, 02:49:52 PM SNAP HIS ARM OFF Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: boldie on September 05, 2009, 02:58:37 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey.
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: paulhouk03 on September 05, 2009, 03:01:27 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. I have seen alot of ppl that just shove with ak or raise 6xbb or something stupid in these mtt sngI will still call tho but not loving the idea of it Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: boldie on September 05, 2009, 03:08:24 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. I have seen alot of ppl that just shove with ak or raise 6xbb or something stupid in these mtt sngI will still call tho but not loving the idea of it A lot of people shove 22BBs in an 18 man STT with AK? MBN. Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: paulhouk03 on September 05, 2009, 03:32:42 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. I have seen alot of ppl that just shove with ak or raise 6xbb or something stupid in these mtt sngI will still call tho but not loving the idea of it A lot of people shove 22BBs in an 18 man STT with AK? MBN. Yeah seen ppl do it in the first 2 levels. seen someone shove aces for 15bbs deep into a tourney b4 Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: Royal Flush on September 05, 2009, 04:14:57 PM seen someone shove aces for 15bbs deep into a tourney b4 Sick i once saw a guy shove 14bb with KK but that is crazy! Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: pokerfan on September 05, 2009, 06:25:05 PM LOL
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: paulhouk03 on September 05, 2009, 07:12:54 PM seen someone shove aces for 15bbs deep into a tourney b4 Sick i once saw a guy shove 14bb with KK but that is crazy! WOAH thats mad! Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: MC on September 06, 2009, 12:52:02 PM Okay, that's good then, I called, villain had 44 and I binked (not that that's relevant, just trying to show I wasn't being results orientated, ie. lost hand so posted thread)
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: action man on September 06, 2009, 01:02:30 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. or just balances his 22bb jamming range. Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: action man on September 06, 2009, 01:04:28 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. I have seen alot of ppl that just shove with ak or raise 6xbb or something stupid in these mtt sngI will still call tho but not loving the idea of it A lot of people shove 22BBs in an 18 man STT with AK? MBN. Yeah seen ppl do it in the first 2 levels. seen someone shove aces for 15bbs deep into a tourney b4 ha! Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: salfi on September 06, 2009, 02:19:37 PM hehe 44. wp sir
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: boldie on September 06, 2009, 03:13:19 PM I call this very quickly. Not worried about AK at all unless he's a complete donkey. or just balances his 22bb jamming range. lol..true Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: MC on September 07, 2009, 11:04:16 PM ***** Hand History for Game 32568239828 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 07, 09:34:01 ET 2009 Table 193577604 1 (Real Money) Seat 4 is the button Seat 1: linkeloet70 ( $1550.00 USD ) Seat 2: naneduda ( $1560.00 USD ) Seat 3: epitomised ( $2940.00 USD ) Seat 4: ivanildo ( $1470.00 USD ) Seat 6: Prizzl3 ( $1480.00 USD ) Seat 7: Buschapa ( $1500.00 USD ) Seat 8: StingnWo ( $1500.00 USD ) Seat 9: hotjenny314 ( $1500.00 USD ) Prizzl3 posts small blind [$10.00 USD]. Buschapa posts big blind [$20.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to epitomised [ Ahrt Qd ] StingnWo folds hotjenny314 folds linkeloet70 raises [$1550.00 USD] naneduda folds epitomised folds ivanildo calls [$1470.00 USD] Prizzl3 folds Buschapa folds ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 2s, 2d ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ] ** Dealing River ** [ 3d ] linkeloet70 shows [Ad, Ac ] linkeloet70 wins $160.00 USD from main pot ivanildo shows [Kc, Kh ] linkeloet70 wins $4440.00 USD from main pot Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: salfi on September 08, 2009, 12:52:37 AM hand above? the maths dont add up? how does he win 4.5 k pot somet not right here with this hand history me thinks
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: salfi on September 08, 2009, 12:56:26 AM ***** Hand History for Game 32568239828 ***** (Poker Stars) either epitomised calls the shove or the guy with 1560 as its the only way the pots can be won as specified at the bottom. rumbled u called with aq didnt u and changed the hh? RUMBLED U CANT FOLD AQ CAN U ? Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 07, 09:34:01 ET 2009 Table 193577604 1 (Real Money) Seat 4 is the button Seat 1: linkeloet70 ( $1550.00 USD ) Seat 2: naneduda ( $1560.00 USD ) Seat 3: epitomised ( $2940.00 USD ) Seat 4: ivanildo ( $1470.00 USD ) Seat 6: Prizzl3 ( $1480.00 USD ) Seat 7: Buschapa ( $1500.00 USD ) Seat 8: StingnWo ( $1500.00 USD ) Seat 9: hotjenny314 ( $1500.00 USD ) Prizzl3 posts small blind [$10.00 USD]. Buschapa posts big blind [$20.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to epitomised [ Ahrt Qd ] StingnWo folds hotjenny314 folds linkeloet70 raises [$1550.00 USD] naneduda folds epitomised folds ivanildo calls [$1470.00 USD] Prizzl3 folds Buschapa folds ** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 2s, 2d ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ] ** Dealing River ** [ 3d ] linkeloet70 shows [Ad, Ac ] linkeloet70 wins $160.00 USD from main pot ivanildo shows [Kc, Kh ] linkeloet70 wins $4440.00 USD from main pot Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: gatso on September 08, 2009, 01:24:47 AM PokerStars Game #32568239828: Tournament #193577604, $15+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/09/07 21:34:01 WET [2009/09/07 16:34:01 ET]
Table '193577604 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: linkeloet70 (1550 in chips) Seat 2: naneduda (1560 in chips) Seat 3: epitomised (2940 in chips) Seat 4: ivanildo (1470 in chips) Seat 6: Prizzl3 (1480 in chips) Seat 7: Buschapa (1500 in chips) Seat 8: StingnWo (1500 in chips) Seat 9: hotjenny314 (1500 in chips) Prizzl3: posts small blind 10 Buschapa: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** StingnWo: folds hotjenny314: folds linkeloet70: raises 1530 to 1550 and is all-in naneduda: folds epitomised: raises 1390 to 2940 and is all-in ivanildo: calls 1470 and is all-in Prizzl3: folds Buschapa: folds Uncalled bet (1390) returned to epitomised *** FLOP *** [7c 2s 2d] *** TURN *** [7c 2s 2d] [Ts] *** RIVER *** [7c 2s 2d Ts] [3d] *** SHOW DOWN *** linkeloet70: shows [Ad Ac] (two pair, Aces and Deuces) epitomised: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Deuces) linkeloet70 collected 160 from side pot ivanildo: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Deuces) linkeloet70 collected 4440 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 4600 Main pot 4440. Side pot 160. | Rake 0 Board [7c 2s 2d Ts 3d] Seat 1: linkeloet70 showed [Ad Ac] and won (4600) with two pair, Aces and Deuces Seat 2: naneduda folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: epitomised showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Deuces Seat 4: ivanildo (button) showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces Seat 6: Prizzl3 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: Buschapa (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: StingnWo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: hotjenny314 folded before Flop (didn't bet) the moral of the story is, if you're going to edit hand histories before you post them check the maths and don't post the game# as it lets everyone check what really happened Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: AlexMartin on September 08, 2009, 02:35:01 AM blackboard, chalk, vairance 1?
Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: MC on September 08, 2009, 12:43:28 PM lmmfao :) Oops
Yeah I called, kinda on the basis of this thread. But I realised the hand was different this time and thought it was a really bad call. Obviously now I look even more stupid. AQ is a standard fold in this spot right? Title: Re: AQs to preflop overshove... Post by: salfi on September 08, 2009, 06:31:29 PM obviously fold unless u has reason to think someone is going nuts for no reason.
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